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I'd like something like that for French. I've extreme difficulty to differentiate between "deux", "de" and "des" among other very similar phonemes that are so c

I'd like something like that for French. I've extreme difficulty to differentiate between "deux", "de" and "des" among other very similar phonemes that are so common in the French language.

morkalork 3y ago
Check out this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MasterYourFrench https://www.youtube.com/@MasterYourFrench They have lots of videos that go into the different pronunciations of specific phonemes, and will for example teach you when to use the open or closed variation for a word. As for OP, the site just gives a score? How does one know how to improve with that? I was expecting something like "you pronounced this vowel like this when it should be like that"
Reventlov 3y ago
To be fair, between french from different regions, people will pronounce those differently or not, and not pronounce it the same way…
- impyamin 3y ago
  exactly, in the context of "de" and "deux" depending on the person (native or not) , you won't be able to differentiate the pronunciation without context
littlestymaar 3y ago
> I've extreme difficulty to differentiate between "deux", "de" and "des" French here, a few tips: «deux» and «de» are pronounced the same (almost everywhere at least). The only thing that change is the «liaison»: if you have «deux» in from of a word that starts with a vowel, then you'll need to add a “Z” sound in between: ex. «deux animaux» is being pronounced as if it was spelled «deux Zanimaux». «des» sounds different, it pronounces like «dé» with an «é» sound like in «thé» or «café», and since it finishes with a “s”, you have a «liaison» as well: «des animaux» => «des Zanimaux».
- User23 3y ago
  It's been a long time, but I feel like "de" is just a tad shorter than "deux." Might that be on account of my youthful exposure to French was in the Alsace? It was mostly older speakers.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    There may be some slight inter-regional variations in pronunciation (I haven't been in Alsace in ten years so I don't remember about that) but pronouncing both the same way is at least perfectly acceptable, so no foreign speaker should ever bother about that.
mynameisash 3y ago
Moi aussi. I was just speaking with one of my friends on Sunday at my local French meetup, and she said there are tools for correcting/verifying one's pronunciation, but she couldn't name any specific tools for French. I have a good accent and generally decent pronunciation, but I still make many errors in my French. I'd love something that would help me improve.
User23 3y ago
I have about enough French to read the menu and order properly at a restaurant. Nevertheless these are really obvious to me. I'm not sure why that is, but I suppose it's probably due to having had some exposure to the language at a young age thanks to having some French family. I feel like anyone with children and the opportunity to do so should try to expose them to as broad a set of phonemes as possible from an early age.

I'd like something like that for French. I've extreme difficulty to differentiate between "deux", "de" and "des" among other very similar phonemes that are so common in the French language.

morkalork 3y ago

Check out this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MasterYourFrench https://www.youtube.com/@MasterYourFrench They have lots of videos that go into the different pronunciations of specific phonemes, and will for example teach you when to use the open or closed variation for a word. As for OP, the site just gives a score? How does one know how to improve with that? I was expecting something like "you pronounced this vowel like this when it should be like that"

Reventlov 3y ago

To be fair, between french from different regions, people will pronounce those differently or not, and not pronounce it the same way…

impyamin 3y ago
exactly, in the context of "de" and "deux" depending on the person (native or not) , you won't be able to differentiate the pronunciation without context

littlestymaar 3y ago

> I've extreme difficulty to differentiate between "deux", "de" and "des" French here, a few tips: «deux» and «de» are pronounced the same (almost everywhere at least). The only thing that change is the «liaison»: if you have «deux» in from of a word that starts with a vowel, then you'll need to add a “Z” sound in between: ex. «deux animaux» is being pronounced as if it was spelled «deux Zanimaux». «des» sounds different, it pronounces like «dé» with an «é» sound like in «thé» or «café», and since it finishes with a “s”, you have a «liaison» as well: «des animaux» => «des Zanimaux».

User23 3y ago
It's been a long time, but I feel like "de" is just a tad shorter than "deux." Might that be on account of my youthful exposure to French was in the Alsace? It was mostly older speakers.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  There may be some slight inter-regional variations in pronunciation (I haven't been in Alsace in ten years so I don't remember about that) but pronouncing both the same way is at least perfectly acceptable, so no foreign speaker should ever bother about that.

mynameisash 3y ago

Moi aussi. I was just speaking with one of my friends on Sunday at my local French meetup, and she said there are tools for correcting/verifying one's pronunciation, but she couldn't name any specific tools for French. I have a good accent and generally decent pronunciation, but I still make many errors in my French. I'd love something that would help me improve.

User23 3y ago

I have about enough French to read the menu and order properly at a restaurant. Nevertheless these are really obvious to me. I'm not sure why that is, but I suppose it's probably due to having had some exposure to the language at a young age thanks to having some French family. I feel like anyone with children and the opportunity to do so should try to expose them to as broad a set of phonemes as possible from an early age.