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It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter. This way makes it safe to fe

It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter. This way makes it safe to feel the waters, tweak public transports, get people's reaction, without killing it in the cradle.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Indeed! https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcelona-a-city-redefined/ https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcel... https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894/barcelona-urban-planning-superblocks-poblenou https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894... (Barcelona superblocks)
londons_explore 3y ago
It's pretty expensive for the city to do that. Tons of signage needs to be removed and replaced with every expansion, and if you choose automated enforcement you need to install lots of new cameras and posts too. Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Eg. Take the cars age, add the current year, subtract the cars rated mpg, add 10 if it's a diesel. If the result is 2050 or more, there is a fine of $20/day if you drive it.
- thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
  But that's hard to get political traction for.
- hanniabu 3y ago
  > Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Good luck getting your average person to not only understand this but being able to actually do the calculations. And it'll be impossible to enforce efficiently.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    No need for everyone to understand. "Whats your registration number?" "The computer says you can drive that till 2026." It can either be enforced at registration renewal (Put a star on the reg plate to indicate they're allowed in the city), or by ANPR cameras on the main roads in/out of the city.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  The whole city already has a congestion tax with cameras reading number plates, and of course a variable congestion fee with much higher fees at rush hours. The simplest way forward I think would be to just double the fees for ICE cars, and cutting them for EV's. It would be a software only solution, so cheap-ish. It would only be possible to do for the whole inner city though. Can't do it for half the city.
- belorn 3y ago
  The expansion is part of the official road map. Next year the first zone will be put in practice (stage one), and part of the second half next year the expanded zone is set to be drafted and a new date set for the deployment of stage 2. It is planned that stage 2 should be deployed no later than 2026.
- stuaxo 3y ago
  Loads of towns in the UK have pedestrianised streets going back to the 80s, it's totally doable, and we're pretty car centric.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Indeed! https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcelona-a-city-redefined/ https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcel... https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894/barcelona-urban-planning-superblocks-poblenou https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894... (Barcelona superblocks)

londons_explore 3y ago

It's pretty expensive for the city to do that. Tons of signage needs to be removed and replaced with every expansion, and if you choose automated enforcement you need to install lots of new cameras and posts too. Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Eg. Take the cars age, add the current year, subtract the cars rated mpg, add 10 if it's a diesel. If the result is 2050 or more, there is a fine of $20/day if you drive it.

thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
But that's hard to get political traction for.
hanniabu 3y ago
> Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Good luck getting your average person to not only understand this but being able to actually do the calculations. And it'll be impossible to enforce efficiently.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  No need for everyone to understand. "Whats your registration number?" "The computer says you can drive that till 2026." It can either be enforced at registration renewal (Put a star on the reg plate to indicate they're allowed in the city), or by ANPR cameras on the main roads in/out of the city.
alkonaut 3y ago
The whole city already has a congestion tax with cameras reading number plates, and of course a variable congestion fee with much higher fees at rush hours. The simplest way forward I think would be to just double the fees for ICE cars, and cutting them for EV's. It would be a software only solution, so cheap-ish. It would only be possible to do for the whole inner city though. Can't do it for half the city.
belorn 3y ago
The expansion is part of the official road map. Next year the first zone will be put in practice (stage one), and part of the second half next year the expanded zone is set to be drafted and a new date set for the deployment of stage 2. It is planned that stage 2 should be deployed no later than 2026.
stuaxo 3y ago
Loads of towns in the UK have pedestrianised streets going back to the 80s, it's totally doable, and we're pretty car centric.