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It's a tiny part of the center of Stockholm. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-dieseldrivna-bilar-forbjuds-i-centrala-stockholm--an4nkd htt

by boxed 3y ago

It's a tiny part of the center of Stockholm. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-dieseldrivna-bilar-forbjuds-i-centrala-stockholm--an4nkd https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-diese... has a map. Roughly 4x4 blocks.

megabless123 3y ago
nice, sounds like a great start that is better than 0x0 blocks
- boxed 3y ago
  Well.. There are lots of roads that closed totally for cars over the years, and quite a few after COVID.
hyperman1 3y ago
It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter. This way makes it safe to feel the waters, tweak public transports, get people's reaction, without killing it in the cradle.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Indeed! https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcelona-a-city-redefined/ https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcel... https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894/barcelona-urban-planning-superblocks-poblenou https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894... (Barcelona superblocks)
- londons_explore 3y ago
  It's pretty expensive for the city to do that. Tons of signage needs to be removed and replaced with every expansion, and if you choose automated enforcement you need to install lots of new cameras and posts too. Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Eg. Take the cars age, add the current year, subtract the cars rated mpg, add 10 if it's a diesel. If the result is 2050 or more, there is a fine of $20/day if you drive it.
  - thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
    But that's hard to get political traction for.
  - hanniabu 3y ago
    > Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Good luck getting your average person to not only understand this but being able to actually do the calculations. And it'll be impossible to enforce efficiently.
    - londons_explore 3y ago
      No need for everyone to understand. "Whats your registration number?" "The computer says you can drive that till 2026." It can either be enforced at registration renewal (Put a star on the reg plate to indicate they're allowed in the city), or by ANPR cameras on the main roads in/out of the city.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    The whole city already has a congestion tax with cameras reading number plates, and of course a variable congestion fee with much higher fees at rush hours. The simplest way forward I think would be to just double the fees for ICE cars, and cutting them for EV's. It would be a software only solution, so cheap-ish. It would only be possible to do for the whole inner city though. Can't do it for half the city.
  - belorn 3y ago
    The expansion is part of the official road map. Next year the first zone will be put in practice (stage one), and part of the second half next year the expanded zone is set to be drafted and a new date set for the deployment of stage 2. It is planned that stage 2 should be deployed no later than 2026.
  - stuaxo 3y ago
    Loads of towns in the UK have pedestrianised streets going back to the 80s, it's totally doable, and we're pretty car centric.
nerdjon 3y ago
I really wish we could get more pedestrian focus in the US. While this does still allow cars, it seems like it's a start. Meanwhile in NY some people are all up in arms about the congestion toll. In Boston a certain subset of people are losing their minds at one of our streets going pedestrian only on Saturdays during the summer. the US really has a crazy relationship with cars
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  ~50% of Americans are sedentary and obese. They're obviously going to want cars. Walking & cycling are not options (see sedentary).
  - dingnuts 3y ago
    There are also disabled and elderly people. Try walking and cycling to get your groceries with multiple sclerosis or a couple bad hips. Cars are awesome.
    - walleeee 3y ago
      That's where the rest of us come in. I for one would much sooner take a grocery delivery job if it's a critical service for the elderly and disabled rather than midnight pizzas for potheads. The idea that a car is the only lifeline for people with physical disabilities bespeaks broader social ills.
    - sanitycheck 3y ago
      Mobility scooters are not only for the morbidly obese.
    - rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
      Electric scooters (with seats if need be) are good enough. Moving a ton of metal for errands in city is insane.
    - codedokode 3y ago
      What if you live in US but your health doesn't allow you to drive a car?
amiga386 3y ago
Oh thank goodness for that. Can you imagine if they were going to block Centralbron? Question: does this mean NK are going to have to move their flagship shop if they want any customers in future?
- hashmush 3y ago
  Do people really go to NK by car?!

by boxed 3y ago

megabless123 3y ago

nice, sounds like a great start that is better than 0x0 blocks

boxed 3y ago
Well.. There are lots of roads that closed totally for cars over the years, and quite a few after COVID.

hyperman1 3y ago

It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter. This way makes it safe to feel the waters, tweak public transports, get people's reaction, without killing it in the cradle.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Indeed! https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcelona-a-city-redefined/ https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcel... https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.barcelona.cat/pla-superilla-barcelona/en https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894/barcelona-urban-planning-superblocks-poblenou https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/4/9/18273894... (Barcelona superblocks)
londons_explore 3y ago
It's pretty expensive for the city to do that. Tons of signage needs to be removed and replaced with every expansion, and if you choose automated enforcement you need to install lots of new cameras and posts too. Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Eg. Take the cars age, add the current year, subtract the cars rated mpg, add 10 if it's a diesel. If the result is 2050 or more, there is a fine of $20/day if you drive it.
- thisgoesnowhere 3y ago
  But that's hard to get political traction for.
- hanniabu 3y ago
  > Easier to start with one big zone over the whole city, and keep making the requirements stricter automatically. Good luck getting your average person to not only understand this but being able to actually do the calculations. And it'll be impossible to enforce efficiently.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    No need for everyone to understand. "Whats your registration number?" "The computer says you can drive that till 2026." It can either be enforced at registration renewal (Put a star on the reg plate to indicate they're allowed in the city), or by ANPR cameras on the main roads in/out of the city.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  The whole city already has a congestion tax with cameras reading number plates, and of course a variable congestion fee with much higher fees at rush hours. The simplest way forward I think would be to just double the fees for ICE cars, and cutting them for EV's. It would be a software only solution, so cheap-ish. It would only be possible to do for the whole inner city though. Can't do it for half the city.
- belorn 3y ago
  The expansion is part of the official road map. Next year the first zone will be put in practice (stage one), and part of the second half next year the expanded zone is set to be drafted and a new date set for the deployment of stage 2. It is planned that stage 2 should be deployed no later than 2026.
- stuaxo 3y ago
  Loads of towns in the UK have pedestrianised streets going back to the 80s, it's totally doable, and we're pretty car centric.

nerdjon 3y ago

I really wish we could get more pedestrian focus in the US. While this does still allow cars, it seems like it's a start. Meanwhile in NY some people are all up in arms about the congestion toll. In Boston a certain subset of people are losing their minds at one of our streets going pedestrian only on Saturdays during the summer. the US really has a crazy relationship with cars

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
~50% of Americans are sedentary and obese. They're obviously going to want cars. Walking & cycling are not options (see sedentary).
- dingnuts 3y ago
  There are also disabled and elderly people. Try walking and cycling to get your groceries with multiple sclerosis or a couple bad hips. Cars are awesome.
  - walleeee 3y ago
    That's where the rest of us come in. I for one would much sooner take a grocery delivery job if it's a critical service for the elderly and disabled rather than midnight pizzas for potheads. The idea that a car is the only lifeline for people with physical disabilities bespeaks broader social ills.
  - sanitycheck 3y ago
    Mobility scooters are not only for the morbidly obese.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
    Electric scooters (with seats if need be) are good enough. Moving a ton of metal for errands in city is insane.
  - codedokode 3y ago
    What if you live in US but your health doesn't allow you to drive a car?

amiga386 3y ago

Oh thank goodness for that. Can you imagine if they were going to block Centralbron? Question: does this mean NK are going to have to move their flagship shop if they want any customers in future?

hashmush 3y ago
Do people really go to NK by car?!