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I've build an analysis of audio usage in podcasts. Currently 93% are using MP3 and 7% AAC. Ogg and Opus have virtually no usage at all. https://podcast-standar

by h4kor 3y ago

I've build an analysis of audio usage in podcasts. Currently 93% are using MP3 and 7% AAC. Ogg and Opus have virtually no usage at all. https://podcast-standard.org/audio/ https://podcast-standard.org/audio/ "Spotify for Podcasters" is the biggest hosting service pushing AAC usage, with ~30% of their inventory being AAC. https://podcast-standard.org/hosting_systems/spotify/ https://podcast-standard.org/hosting_systems/spotify/

Flimm 3y ago
Do the AAC podcasts provide MP3 files as a fallback for podcast players that don't support AAC? Is that even a possibility? Thank you for the fantastic website, by the way! It's fascinating.
- h4kor 3y ago
  There are ways to do that, but I don't know how many pod catchers support these. The most common solution I can see is to provide multiple RSS feeds, one for each audio format.
qwerty456127 3y ago
> Ogg and Opus have virtually no usage at all. I mostly use OPUS nowadays. Just download a podcast/audiobook/whatever, convert it to 32 kbps (which even is redundant! even lower is totally Okay, 24 kbps still can sound subjectively lossless for human speech, 16 kbps will probably be still good yet audibly different) OPUS with the voip profile and fit tons of content to listen to offline on whatever a humble storage your portable device has left. OPUS really saves the day as today smartphones storage usually is filled with high-quality pictures and videos you have taken and apps getting gigger and bigger every year. I wish Apple would introduce first-class OPUS support in the M4B container in iTunes but as long as it doesn't (and I doubt it ever will) 3-rd party audiobook players do a great job.
- teruakohatu 3y ago
  What audiobook player do you recommend?
  - alargemoose 3y ago
    Not OP, but I have all mine stored on my plex server, and use Prologue to access them on iOS devices and like it a lot. https://apps.apple.com/app/id1459223267 https://apps.apple.com/app/id1459223267
  - qwerty456127 3y ago
    On iPhone we use "MP3 Audiobook Player Pro"[1]. Despite saying "MP3" in its title it supports many formats including OPUS. They broke OPUS speed-up and hadn't fixed it for some time but have fixed it recently so it's great again. On Android "Smart AudioBook Player"[2] does a perfect job. [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-audiobook-player-pro/id889580711 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-audiobook-player-pro/id889... [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ak.alizandro.smartaudiobookplayer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ak.alizandro.s...
- adql 3y ago
  > OPUS with the voip profile and fit tons of content to listen to offline on whatever a humble storage your portable device has left. I'm glad you're saving that old 64MB player from landfill but the size of podcasts isn't a problem from even budget phone perspective.
  - miloignis 3y ago
    Not really true, I've got 51.7GB/128GB of just podcasts on my phone.
  - qwerty456127 3y ago
    Sadly my old "64 MB" (not really, it's 128 MB IIRC) player doesn't support OPUS. It's there where I have to fallback to AAC or MP3. But it luckily supports FLAC and Vorbis (which weren't listed in the specs) so I have some FLACs and OGGs on it as well. It also lacks speed adjustment so I had to pree-upspeed books with Audacity during the days when first Android devices were a luxury thing. If only it had support for OPUS, pitch-preserving speed adjustment and position persistance it could indeed make a great audiobook/podcast listening device.
sumtechguy 3y ago
About the only place I saw OGG take any traction was in the video game space. A lot of games used it. But that is anecdotal so not a great data point.
jchw 3y ago
Ogg and Opus will never have much adoption on the web as long as Apple devices exist. I don't think any single tech company has managed to be as destructive to the proliferation of patent-unencumbered formats in the short history of computing.
- Yeul 3y ago
  That's one nice thing about pirate releases: they just use whatever technology is best patents be damned!
lonjil 3y ago
Opus hasn't caught on for music and podcasts, but is very popular in some other areas. YouTube uses Opus heavily, for example, and its the default audio codec for webm video files. It's also very popular for real time audio like in video conferencing.
- duped 3y ago
  This needs to be more widely shouted, Opus derives from CELT which was primarily focused on low latency audio encoding (which mp3 really sucks at) and it's the defacto standard for VoIP. Although for professional applications like wireless companies will use their own proprietary codecs.
FrostKiwi 3y ago
It's the standard for YouTube, which runs both Opus and AAC.

by h4kor 3y ago

Flimm 3y ago

Do the AAC podcasts provide MP3 files as a fallback for podcast players that don't support AAC? Is that even a possibility? Thank you for the fantastic website, by the way! It's fascinating.

h4kor 3y ago
There are ways to do that, but I don't know how many pod catchers support these. The most common solution I can see is to provide multiple RSS feeds, one for each audio format.

qwerty456127 3y ago

> Ogg and Opus have virtually no usage at all. I mostly use OPUS nowadays. Just download a podcast/audiobook/whatever, convert it to 32 kbps (which even is redundant! even lower is totally Okay, 24 kbps still can sound subjectively lossless for human speech, 16 kbps will probably be still good yet audibly different) OPUS with the voip profile and fit tons of content to listen to offline on whatever a humble storage your portable device has left. OPUS really saves the day as today smartphones storage usually is filled with high-quality pictures and videos you have taken and apps getting gigger and bigger every year. I wish Apple would introduce first-class OPUS support in the M4B container in iTunes but as long as it doesn't (and I doubt it ever will) 3-rd party audiobook players do a great job.

teruakohatu 3y ago
What audiobook player do you recommend?
- alargemoose 3y ago
  Not OP, but I have all mine stored on my plex server, and use Prologue to access them on iOS devices and like it a lot. https://apps.apple.com/app/id1459223267 https://apps.apple.com/app/id1459223267
- qwerty456127 3y ago
  On iPhone we use "MP3 Audiobook Player Pro"[1]. Despite saying "MP3" in its title it supports many formats including OPUS. They broke OPUS speed-up and hadn't fixed it for some time but have fixed it recently so it's great again. On Android "Smart AudioBook Player"[2] does a perfect job. [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-audiobook-player-pro/id889580711 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mp3-audiobook-player-pro/id889... [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ak.alizandro.smartaudiobookplayer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ak.alizandro.s...
adql 3y ago
> OPUS with the voip profile and fit tons of content to listen to offline on whatever a humble storage your portable device has left. I'm glad you're saving that old 64MB player from landfill but the size of podcasts isn't a problem from even budget phone perspective.
- miloignis 3y ago
  Not really true, I've got 51.7GB/128GB of just podcasts on my phone.
- qwerty456127 3y ago
  Sadly my old "64 MB" (not really, it's 128 MB IIRC) player doesn't support OPUS. It's there where I have to fallback to AAC or MP3. But it luckily supports FLAC and Vorbis (which weren't listed in the specs) so I have some FLACs and OGGs on it as well. It also lacks speed adjustment so I had to pree-upspeed books with Audacity during the days when first Android devices were a luxury thing. If only it had support for OPUS, pitch-preserving speed adjustment and position persistance it could indeed make a great audiobook/podcast listening device.

sumtechguy 3y ago

About the only place I saw OGG take any traction was in the video game space. A lot of games used it. But that is anecdotal so not a great data point.

jchw 3y ago

Ogg and Opus will never have much adoption on the web as long as Apple devices exist. I don't think any single tech company has managed to be as destructive to the proliferation of patent-unencumbered formats in the short history of computing.

Yeul 3y ago
That's one nice thing about pirate releases: they just use whatever technology is best patents be damned!

lonjil 3y ago

Opus hasn't caught on for music and podcasts, but is very popular in some other areas. YouTube uses Opus heavily, for example, and its the default audio codec for webm video files. It's also very popular for real time audio like in video conferencing.

duped 3y ago
This needs to be more widely shouted, Opus derives from CELT which was primarily focused on low latency audio encoding (which mp3 really sucks at) and it's the defacto standard for VoIP. Although for professional applications like wireless companies will use their own proprietary codecs.

FrostKiwi 3y ago

It's the standard for YouTube, which runs both Opus and AAC.