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Cell phones already killed standalone cameras: https://d3.harvard.edu/platform-digit/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/03/Camera-Sales-Decline.png https://d3.harv

Cell phones already killed standalone cameras: https://d3.harvard.edu/platform-digit/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/03/Camera-Sales-Decline.png https://d3.harvard.edu/platform-digit/wp-content/uploads/sit... This is just the mop-up operation. The only products left are going to be super-telephotos for live sports (sales: a hundred a year, if that?) and 4K+ IMAX digital cine cameras.

quenix 3y ago
Looks like they killed cameras with built-in lenses. Cameras with interchangeable lesnes, which would've been used by the pros, have kept their market share identical if not grown a bit.
ClikeX 3y ago
They killed consumer point and shoots, not professional interchangeable lens cameras.
MarkMarine 3y ago
For taking photos and sharing them in the digital only space, sure I’ll buy that for the regular consumer. Making prints will expose all the small sensor flaws that exist quite quickly. I know it gets better every year but I used my phone camera (14 pro) to capture a few important shots that I would do anything to go back and had on a full frame sensor or film for.
- foobarian 3y ago
  I hate pixel peeping on phone photos. Have a 13 Pro Max and it has a really weird mushy postprocessed look. I always bring an oldschool Nikon DSLR with me when I care about getting some nice shots.
  - mwest217 3y ago
    Using a third party app and capturing native raw photos helps avoid that mushy post processed look. It trades it off for more noise, but the trade off is worth it imo. Halide is my app of choice but there are a number of good ones.
canbus 3y ago
maybe for the average consumer. but how many professional photographers do you see using an iPhone? sensor size matters for low-light stuff too. sure, an iPhone can do a pretty good job at taking several pictures over say a 2s. exposure, but there _will_ be artifacts in the shot as there isn't physically enough light to form a legible image regardless of post-processing. this is just one of many reasons why digital cameras are NOT at the brink of collapse yet.
- heartbreak 3y ago
  The folks working for your local news org are getting paid to take photos on phones. Almost all of the people you would probably consider “professional photographers” in that industry got laid off years ago. Watching them take photos on their iPhones at high school sporting events is always painful.
  - BlueTemplar 3y ago
    And yet digital camera sales only halved since 2003 ? (But I guess that we should be looking at all cameras for this, not just the digital ones ?)
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - tiahura 3y ago
      By unit sales, or by deflated dollars purchasing increasingly niche priced units?
  - rchaud 3y ago
    I've never seen a wedding photographer using an iPhone, and the ratio of wedding photographers to news org photographers is probably 100:1 if not more.
    - heartbreak 3y ago
      If we’re including the journalists using iPhones then no, that’s not going to be the ratio. For what it’s worth, I’m a professional sports photographer (side gig obviously), and I don’t get paid for iPhone photos. I’m not disagreeing with you that iPhones cannot replace dedicated cameras, but they are a lot closer to replacing them for weddings than they are for sports.
vGPU 3y ago
Not even close. The pocketable point and shoot cameras? Sure. DSLR’s? Not a chance. I’ve gone the upgrade path from a canon 6D to 5D4 to R6. The R6 especially is phenomenal and there isn’t a single phone that can even try to come close to what it can accomplish even in “auto” mode.
- _2d30 3y ago
  I thought I read DSLRs are dead? Everyone is making mirrorless now?
  - sbarre 3y ago
    The point he's making is about the sensor and the glass, not the mechanics of the camera body?
  - neogodless 3y ago
    The R6 is marketed as a mirrorless DSLR. Obviously the SLR part isn't accurate but the way you use the camera with interchangeable lenses is about the same. So for the user it's just a technology and feature upgrade more so than a new product.
  - haswell 3y ago
    Most of the manufacturers are focused on mirrorless, but the DSLR market is still alive. Pentax has bucked the trend and has continued to release new DSLRs as recently as this year.
  - FalconSensei 3y ago
    ppl also use DSLR to refer to the body type
  - sib 3y ago
    Mostly, yes, but not completely. A better generic term might be an ILC (interchangeable lens camera).
  - vGPU 3y ago
    It’s essentially become a common term like Kleenex.
haswell 3y ago
Smartphones changed the market such that people who just want to shoot good photos of their family don’t need to buy expensive cameras anymore. But photography with dedicated cameras is alive and well, and won’t go anywhere anytime soon even as these phones get better and better. The super telephoto market is alive and well, and Wildlife photography in particular is a big contributor to this. When Olympus released their 150-400mm (300-800mm full frame equivalent) super telephoto aimed at wildlife shooters, it was sold out for almost a year. For me, the new iPhone means I can shoot B-roll footage that looks great, but this will not replace my main camera anytime soon. It’s currently far more viable for high quality video than it is for high quality photographs.

quenix 3y ago

Looks like they killed cameras with built-in lenses. Cameras with interchangeable lesnes, which would've been used by the pros, have kept their market share identical if not grown a bit.

ClikeX 3y ago

They killed consumer point and shoots, not professional interchangeable lens cameras.

MarkMarine 3y ago

For taking photos and sharing them in the digital only space, sure I’ll buy that for the regular consumer. Making prints will expose all the small sensor flaws that exist quite quickly. I know it gets better every year but I used my phone camera (14 pro) to capture a few important shots that I would do anything to go back and had on a full frame sensor or film for.

foobarian 3y ago
I hate pixel peeping on phone photos. Have a 13 Pro Max and it has a really weird mushy postprocessed look. I always bring an oldschool Nikon DSLR with me when I care about getting some nice shots.
- mwest217 3y ago
  Using a third party app and capturing native raw photos helps avoid that mushy post processed look. It trades it off for more noise, but the trade off is worth it imo. Halide is my app of choice but there are a number of good ones.

canbus 3y ago

maybe for the average consumer. but how many professional photographers do you see using an iPhone? sensor size matters for low-light stuff too. sure, an iPhone can do a pretty good job at taking several pictures over say a 2s. exposure, but there _will_ be artifacts in the shot as there isn't physically enough light to form a legible image regardless of post-processing. this is just one of many reasons why digital cameras are NOT at the brink of collapse yet.

heartbreak 3y ago
The folks working for your local news org are getting paid to take photos on phones. Almost all of the people you would probably consider “professional photographers” in that industry got laid off years ago. Watching them take photos on their iPhones at high school sporting events is always painful.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  And yet digital camera sales only halved since 2003 ? (But I guess that we should be looking at all cameras for this, not just the digital ones ?)
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - tiahura 3y ago
    By unit sales, or by deflated dollars purchasing increasingly niche priced units?
- rchaud 3y ago
  I've never seen a wedding photographer using an iPhone, and the ratio of wedding photographers to news org photographers is probably 100:1 if not more.
  - heartbreak 3y ago
    If we’re including the journalists using iPhones then no, that’s not going to be the ratio. For what it’s worth, I’m a professional sports photographer (side gig obviously), and I don’t get paid for iPhone photos. I’m not disagreeing with you that iPhones cannot replace dedicated cameras, but they are a lot closer to replacing them for weddings than they are for sports.

vGPU 3y ago

Not even close. The pocketable point and shoot cameras? Sure. DSLR’s? Not a chance. I’ve gone the upgrade path from a canon 6D to 5D4 to R6. The R6 especially is phenomenal and there isn’t a single phone that can even try to come close to what it can accomplish even in “auto” mode.

_2d30 3y ago
I thought I read DSLRs are dead? Everyone is making mirrorless now?
- sbarre 3y ago
  The point he's making is about the sensor and the glass, not the mechanics of the camera body?
- neogodless 3y ago
  The R6 is marketed as a mirrorless DSLR. Obviously the SLR part isn't accurate but the way you use the camera with interchangeable lenses is about the same. So for the user it's just a technology and feature upgrade more so than a new product.
- haswell 3y ago
  Most of the manufacturers are focused on mirrorless, but the DSLR market is still alive. Pentax has bucked the trend and has continued to release new DSLRs as recently as this year.
- FalconSensei 3y ago
  ppl also use DSLR to refer to the body type
- sib 3y ago
  Mostly, yes, but not completely. A better generic term might be an ILC (interchangeable lens camera).
- vGPU 3y ago
  It’s essentially become a common term like Kleenex.

haswell 3y ago

Smartphones changed the market such that people who just want to shoot good photos of their family don’t need to buy expensive cameras anymore. But photography with dedicated cameras is alive and well, and won’t go anywhere anytime soon even as these phones get better and better. The super telephoto market is alive and well, and Wildlife photography in particular is a big contributor to this. When Olympus released their 150-400mm (300-800mm full frame equivalent) super telephoto aimed at wildlife shooters, it was sold out for almost a year. For me, the new iPhone means I can shoot B-roll footage that looks great, but this will not replace my main camera anytime soon. It’s currently far more viable for high quality video than it is for high quality photographs.