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I feel like professional/prosumer photogs, aka the kind of people who buy fancy SLR cameras and serious business lenses, probably already know this stuff. I al

by nvy 3y ago

I feel like professional/prosumer photogs, aka the kind of people who buy fancy SLR cameras and serious business lenses, probably already know this stuff. I also suspect that the vast, vast majority of phone users just want subjectively good-looking photos.

dclowd9901 3y ago
Yeah, 100%. About 99% of the customer base just wants to take a good photo with the smallest effort possible. Which makes it even more remarkable the company cares enough to include this kind of functionality in a consumer product.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  > Which makes it even more remarkable the company cares enough to include this kind of functionality in a consumer product. Maybe people are just starting to get sick of this argument being used against everything.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    How is this an argument against anything?
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      Whenever someone wants a new feature or gets disrupted by the loss of a previous feature, people go, "you have to think of the consumers. Consumers don't use those features, because consumers are stupid. I can't see why anyone would ever add/keep a feature that's not going to be used by those consumers." The comment I replied to didn't go nearly that far, but it's an argument I've seen so often that I feel compelled to point out that "consumers" are not the only target audience for Apple - they are trying to also market themselves to creators, as well as professionals, and they absolutely know the difference and notice when things like these become available.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        > people go, "you have to think of the consumers. Consumers don't use those features, because consumers are stupid. I can't see why anyone would ever add/keep a feature that's not going to be used by those consumers." Well, I don't think "people" generally do that. It's nothing to do with stupidity; just lack of need and interest. > The comment I replied to didn't go nearly that far Not just "didn't go that far", it wasn't anything to do with that. It was just articulating pleasant surprise. If I were to return this thread to its objective origin, I would agree that if you're selling a mass-market device, it's surprising to cater to a fractional percentage of that user base. I don't see how that's contentious.
        LoganDark 3y ago
        > if you're selling a mass-market device, it's surprising to cater to a fractional percentage of that user base. I don't see how that's contentious. I argue it shouldn't be that surprising because a lot of people find value in this 1%, and each person wants a different 1%. But maybe it's surprising because most companies are stupid and don't realize this.
- pas 3y ago
  Apple sells a very enticing mix of feeling and product, the good old Jobs distortion field. They always had an enormous influence on what's cool, what's premium, what you should want, what's the baseline, etc. And it's entirely possible that they got to the point that they are now saying pro stuff is cool. Even is 99.x % of users won't really use it.

by nvy 3y ago

dclowd9901 3y ago

Yeah, 100%. About 99% of the customer base just wants to take a good photo with the smallest effort possible. Which makes it even more remarkable the company cares enough to include this kind of functionality in a consumer product.

LoganDark 3y ago
> Which makes it even more remarkable the company cares enough to include this kind of functionality in a consumer product. Maybe people are just starting to get sick of this argument being used against everything.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  How is this an argument against anything?
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    Whenever someone wants a new feature or gets disrupted by the loss of a previous feature, people go, "you have to think of the consumers. Consumers don't use those features, because consumers are stupid. I can't see why anyone would ever add/keep a feature that's not going to be used by those consumers." The comment I replied to didn't go nearly that far, but it's an argument I've seen so often that I feel compelled to point out that "consumers" are not the only target audience for Apple - they are trying to also market themselves to creators, as well as professionals, and they absolutely know the difference and notice when things like these become available.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > people go, "you have to think of the consumers. Consumers don't use those features, because consumers are stupid. I can't see why anyone would ever add/keep a feature that's not going to be used by those consumers." Well, I don't think "people" generally do that. It's nothing to do with stupidity; just lack of need and interest. > The comment I replied to didn't go nearly that far Not just "didn't go that far", it wasn't anything to do with that. It was just articulating pleasant surprise. If I were to return this thread to its objective origin, I would agree that if you're selling a mass-market device, it's surprising to cater to a fractional percentage of that user base. I don't see how that's contentious.
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        > if you're selling a mass-market device, it's surprising to cater to a fractional percentage of that user base. I don't see how that's contentious. I argue it shouldn't be that surprising because a lot of people find value in this 1%, and each person wants a different 1%. But maybe it's surprising because most companies are stupid and don't realize this.
pas 3y ago
Apple sells a very enticing mix of feeling and product, the good old Jobs distortion field. They always had an enormous influence on what's cool, what's premium, what you should want, what's the baseline, etc. And it's entirely possible that they got to the point that they are now saying pro stuff is cool. Even is 99.x % of users won't really use it.