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California's consumer protection feels like EU levels right now. With such a big economy and influence on other states, it feels like they're becoming a singula
by parhamn 3y ago
California's consumer protection feels like EU levels right now. With such a big economy and influence on other states, it feels like they're becoming a singular driving force for policy for (at least) blue states.
e.g. I suspect Skittles won't have a "California recipe" to avoid Red No 3 which will effectively make it national law.
Has the rate with which they're driving consumer protection gone up as a legitimate broader strategy or is it just part of the Newsome might run activity?
- irjustin 3y agoIt's been like this for forever. Lots of key car safety and emissions started in CA.
- andromeduck 3y agoWhich his great because california's emissions policies have been a disaster for safety and emissions.
- irjustin 3y agoCare to list any specifics?
- andromeduck 3y agohttps://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?si=KIFM9Vc5vQ4rV_mM https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?si=KIFM9Vc5vQ4rV_mM https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=Ot3jkIPaJJrHwwmC https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=Ot3jkIPaJJrHwwmC
- irjustin 3y agoAh so you don't like stricter emissions; not one for the long term of our planet I see.
- andromeduck 3y agoIf we wanted to reduce emissions we'd full send on nuclear power and carbon taxes instead of poory thought out legislation.
- hef19898 3y agoAnother one who bought into the latest pro-Nuclear narrative, without bothering about details, context or the bigger picture. But guess who is on-board with you on looser emissions retrictions? Oil companies, and to a somewhat lesser degree car makers.
- Spooky23 3y agoSo in 1985 or wherever, we’d be driving big Chevy station wagons with little reactors in the back?
- theshrike79 3y agoFYI: the si= bit in the URL is an unique tracker Google started adding a while ago. You can and should delete it.
- emodendroket 3y agoCalifornia's role in driving national standards has been identified for decades so I don't think it's just about Newsom; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_effect for instance. I'd say that CA regulations are not quite on the EU's level though. For instance, the GDPR requires that you render all the data you have on a user in response to DSARs while the CCPA, as I understand, only requires you to say what the data is that you have but not actually show the values.
- sillystuff 3y agoI've done several CCPA data requests. You get very detailed data (the actual data). Some companies do not comply with the law, however-- the penalties are a slap on the wrist. Enforcement is only from the California Attorney General's office and the California Privacy Protection Agency (no individual action is possible unless your data was released in a breach where you can demonstrate negligence). Enforcement and penalties is the main place where the CCPA / CPRA is _much_ weaker than the GDPR.
- emodendroket 3y agoMy understanding is that a lot of companies choose to make the response GDPR-compliant rather than bothering with a separate process for the CCPA (there are other similar laws in other jurisdictions too so just having one process compliant with the most onerous set of rules can be appealing), but they don't actually have to if they don't want.
- sillystuff 3y agoIt is worse than providing a slightly non-compliant response in an (illegal) attempt to streamline their efforts. E.g., my first CCPA request to LexisNexis resulted in nothing. I had to contact their legal department to get them to comply. Their process works now. A lot of companies that do comply, do so obviously begrudgingly. E.g., they will make you repeatedly fill out a long web form for each right you wish to exercise under the CCPA, instead of allowing you to just enter e.g., your identifying information once, and just check off each right you wish to exercise. It is malicious compliance. Serius XM's CCPA web form, in addition to malicious design, was broken-- it simply did not work, and the number they listed to call _for CCPA requests_ turned out to be a general support number where none of the Indian call center folks even knew what a CCPA request was*. *SeriusXM account was created by the dealer when purchasing a new car against my explicit request for them to not register me for any of the introductory "free" accounts listed as perks for the vehicle. SeriusXM (among other things) collects and sells your GPS location data-- a streaming service has no legitimate reason to collect your GPS location. I suspect they also pay dealerships a commission for signups, as the dealer had to go to extra effort to ignore my request.
- testfoobar 3y ago1. With an effective uniparty government in California, the real balance of power is between the State Legislature and the Governor. 2. Newsom's stealth-campaign for President in 2024 needs him to stay in the national news cycle without directly competing with team Biden's messaging. So I tend to believe that Newsom is picking and choosing bills to sign/veto with a focus on running for President in 2024.