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My advice is to just learn a framework and let other people deal with the details. This article makes it seem like CSS is as easy to work with as pencil and era

My advice is to just learn a framework and let other people deal with the details. This article makes it seem like CSS is as easy to work with as pencil and eraser. But a lot of the complexity is arbitrary due to either history or fashion

neontomo 3y ago
The optimist in me hopes that one day the web is built on HTML, vanilla JS and CSS only (or languages comparable), but it's so good that no frameworks are needed. Until then, you may be right.
- GravityLab 3y ago
  That is my favorite stack. :) I call it pure JS but I like vanilla JS too. CSS is super powerful and I love how much you can do with it. I’m still scratching the surface, too. I’ve been using it for years for common things as a full-stack dev but it’s only really the last six months that I’ve really begun to stretch myself with it. The power it has for animations is impressive too, for example. I spent a lot of time on just that and flexbox and flexgrid and it made me go from hating CSS to really liking it.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > I’ve been using it for years for common things as a full-stack dev but it’s only really the last six months that I’ve really begun to stretch myself with it. I'm only now dipping my feet into front-end development, and I'm avoiding all frameworks[1], but to play with CSS I made this: https://rundata.co.za/~lelanthran/JustTryIt/ https://rundata.co.za/~lelanthran/JustTryIt/ It's incomplete, it's not good for testing layouts, etc ... but it was useful to me when I didn't know what the defaults did. (I should perhaps rewrite it now to be more complete and less cruft-filled - this was written when I knew less about JS and CSS than I do now). [1] No special reason - there are too many, and most of them seem bloated for what I need. I'm sure react solves real problems, but I find it's shorter to solve my problems using whatever I've already written and understood than learning a whole new framework.
    - GravityLab 3y ago
      Hey, this is really cool! Part of the struggle is definitely getting a feedback loop set up so that people can see what the css actually does. Especially when you’re trying to build a product at the same time. This is neat because it could let me see the benefit of some styling in isolation pretty easily. Enjoy the rewrite! I love that feeling of rewriting something with new knowledge and finding all kinds of gains while doing so.

neontomo 3y ago

The optimist in me hopes that one day the web is built on HTML, vanilla JS and CSS only (or languages comparable), but it's so good that no frameworks are needed. Until then, you may be right.

GravityLab 3y ago
That is my favorite stack. :) I call it pure JS but I like vanilla JS too. CSS is super powerful and I love how much you can do with it. I’m still scratching the surface, too. I’ve been using it for years for common things as a full-stack dev but it’s only really the last six months that I’ve really begun to stretch myself with it. The power it has for animations is impressive too, for example. I spent a lot of time on just that and flexbox and flexgrid and it made me go from hating CSS to really liking it.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > I’ve been using it for years for common things as a full-stack dev but it’s only really the last six months that I’ve really begun to stretch myself with it. I'm only now dipping my feet into front-end development, and I'm avoiding all frameworks[1], but to play with CSS I made this: https://rundata.co.za/~lelanthran/JustTryIt/ https://rundata.co.za/~lelanthran/JustTryIt/ It's incomplete, it's not good for testing layouts, etc ... but it was useful to me when I didn't know what the defaults did. (I should perhaps rewrite it now to be more complete and less cruft-filled - this was written when I knew less about JS and CSS than I do now). [1] No special reason - there are too many, and most of them seem bloated for what I need. I'm sure react solves real problems, but I find it's shorter to solve my problems using whatever I've already written and understood than learning a whole new framework.
  - GravityLab 3y ago
    Hey, this is really cool! Part of the struggle is definitely getting a feedback loop set up so that people can see what the css actually does. Especially when you’re trying to build a product at the same time. This is neat because it could let me see the benefit of some styling in isolation pretty easily. Enjoy the rewrite! I love that feeling of rewriting something with new knowledge and finding all kinds of gains while doing so.