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I’m going to identify as California resident more than usual. /s Cali has some decent laws when it comes to consumer protection. I’d love to see more of them o

by 404mm 3y ago

I’m going to identify as California resident more than usual. /s Cali has some decent laws when it comes to consumer protection. I’d love to see more of them on federal level.

slimsag 3y ago
I requested data be deleted from a data broker and live in Arizona: > We are in receipt of your request dated September 12, 2023. You are submitting a request from a jurisdiction that does not currently provide data rights.
- hedora 3y ago
  What happens if you get a CA po box, or use a vpn?
  - rapind 3y ago
    90210
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    They might require a non-PO box address and a VPN could be defeated by a manual verification. That said, doesn’t hurt to try!
- manicennui 3y ago
  It's irritating that companies do the bare minimum required by law instead of doing the right thing.
  - jojobas 3y ago
    The first right thing a company is obligated to do is to earn money. You've agreed to their terms that don't violate the law, why would they forfeit their hard earned cash, even if it's the right thing to do?
    - nirvdrum 3y ago
      > You've agreed to their terms that don't violate the law I don't think there's much agreement going on with data brokers beyond very broad "we reserve the right to share your data with third parties to improve services" or some such. In most cases people are not interfacing directly with a data broker. > why would they forfeit their hard earned cash, even if it's the right thing to do? Usually to stave off regulation.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    It's also possibly the lowest acceptable ethical bar. If all you can say to justify your actions is "At least it's technically not illegal" then you're really not running a great business.
    - immibis 3y ago
      Shareholders are the only people who matter.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
  Lol that's ridiculous. They acknowledged you but are you telling you you have no rights. Wow. This is why we should pay for services. If someone wants something deleted from my app... I'll delete it. No problem. They pay me a subscription, I don't even want their data. It's a liability if anything.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    > This is why we should pay for services. You know what business scoundrels like more than profiting off your data and attention? Getting direct revenue from you, especially recurring one via subscription, and profiting off your data and attention on top of that. More than that, your choice to pay for a good or service demonstrates you have disposable income and are willing to spend it - i.e. a high-value target for advertisers. > They pay me a subscription, I don't even want their data. It's a liability if anything. This is (a big part of) the solution - but personal data isn't enough of a liability yet to deter the scoundrels.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  A charitable interpretation - what "deletion" means can vary across businesses and jurisdictions. For example, some jurisdictions may/may not allow the data to remain anonymized, require it to be in cold storage for law enforcement, etc. So likely their isn't like if (state = ___) { delete } { else fuck you } but more like "if state = X, do state X logic, if state = Y, do state Y logic, else nothing"
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    its definitely { else fuck you } because the point is to have data to sell, not learn about the storage requirements its a total absence of requirements think of it like requesting water at a bar or club. in the states without regulation, all the businesses say "you can only buy this $8 bottled water", the same hospitality organization has companies in another state that are like "oh yeah the tap water's right over there" sure, they both have.... fire code requirements or whatever analogy you find more applicable, but they also will say { else fuck you } to all other aspects without any thought aside from what's most convenient
  - mycall 3y ago
    What about converting personal data into anonymous data? For example, say a company tracked how many miles some person was a passenger on a bus. Now there is a request to delete their data, so could they simply overwrite their ID and name with "0000", "noname"?
loopdoend 3y ago
As California goes, so goes the nation

by 404mm 3y ago

I’m going to identify as California resident more than usual. /s Cali has some decent laws when it comes to consumer protection. I’d love to see more of them on federal level.

slimsag 3y ago

I requested data be deleted from a data broker and live in Arizona: > We are in receipt of your request dated September 12, 2023. You are submitting a request from a jurisdiction that does not currently provide data rights.

hedora 3y ago
What happens if you get a CA po box, or use a vpn?
- rapind 3y ago
  90210
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  They might require a non-PO box address and a VPN could be defeated by a manual verification. That said, doesn’t hurt to try!
manicennui 3y ago
It's irritating that companies do the bare minimum required by law instead of doing the right thing.
- jojobas 3y ago
  The first right thing a company is obligated to do is to earn money. You've agreed to their terms that don't violate the law, why would they forfeit their hard earned cash, even if it's the right thing to do?
  - nirvdrum 3y ago
    > You've agreed to their terms that don't violate the law I don't think there's much agreement going on with data brokers beyond very broad "we reserve the right to share your data with third parties to improve services" or some such. In most cases people are not interfacing directly with a data broker. > why would they forfeit their hard earned cash, even if it's the right thing to do? Usually to stave off regulation.
- ryandrake 3y ago
  It's also possibly the lowest acceptable ethical bar. If all you can say to justify your actions is "At least it's technically not illegal" then you're really not running a great business.
  - immibis 3y ago
    Shareholders are the only people who matter.
8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
Lol that's ridiculous. They acknowledged you but are you telling you you have no rights. Wow. This is why we should pay for services. If someone wants something deleted from my app... I'll delete it. No problem. They pay me a subscription, I don't even want their data. It's a liability if anything.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > This is why we should pay for services. You know what business scoundrels like more than profiting off your data and attention? Getting direct revenue from you, especially recurring one via subscription, and profiting off your data and attention on top of that. More than that, your choice to pay for a good or service demonstrates you have disposable income and are willing to spend it - i.e. a high-value target for advertisers. > They pay me a subscription, I don't even want their data. It's a liability if anything. This is (a big part of) the solution - but personal data isn't enough of a liability yet to deter the scoundrels.
xyzelement 3y ago
A charitable interpretation - what "deletion" means can vary across businesses and jurisdictions. For example, some jurisdictions may/may not allow the data to remain anonymized, require it to be in cold storage for law enforcement, etc. So likely their isn't like if (state = ___) { delete } { else fuck you } but more like "if state = X, do state X logic, if state = Y, do state Y logic, else nothing"
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  its definitely { else fuck you } because the point is to have data to sell, not learn about the storage requirements its a total absence of requirements think of it like requesting water at a bar or club. in the states without regulation, all the businesses say "you can only buy this $8 bottled water", the same hospitality organization has companies in another state that are like "oh yeah the tap water's right over there" sure, they both have.... fire code requirements or whatever analogy you find more applicable, but they also will say { else fuck you } to all other aspects without any thought aside from what's most convenient
- mycall 3y ago
  What about converting personal data into anonymous data? For example, say a company tracked how many miles some person was a passenger on a bus. Now there is a request to delete their data, so could they simply overwrite their ID and name with "0000", "noname"?

loopdoend 3y ago

As California goes, so goes the nation