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I somehow doubt VC's forget money making.

pg 20y ago
Believe it or not, some may. Several top-tier VCs have told me (truthfully or not) that some lower-grade VCs know their funds are never likely to make money, and they're just doing it for the fat management fees.
- brett 20y ago
  If that's true then question then is how bad off are you if you take money from such a lower-grade fund. In the long run is it not even worth it to take their money?
  - pg 20y ago
    Interesting question. It might actually be ok to take money from a firm like that, if you didn't have any better alternatives. You wouldn't have the brand or connections of a top VC, but you'd at least have the money, which is not nothing.
- acgourley 20y ago
  Thats pretty amazing actually. It sounds like these lower-grade VC's could only be so cynical due to past experience, but if that is the case, who is putting them at the helm of large funds again and again?
  - nostrademons 20y ago
    Second-tier university endowments and pension funds, the ones trying to catch Harvard & Amherst in endowment performance. They know that if the fund performs well, they look like a genius, yet if it fails, the poor college students and retirees are left holding the bag. The whole economy has a huge moral hazard problem. There's a reason why John Nash won a Nobel Prize.
- staunch 20y ago
  The way VCs raise their funds and get paid seems horribly broken. I think most of them hover between borderline fraud and out-right fraud. YC should kill all the sub-par VCs by scaling up massively and taking their billions in funding away.
  - pg 20y ago
    You can't talk about VCs generally because there's such a difference between the good ones and the bad ones. The good ones serve their investors pretty well. We'd never compete with VCs, incidentally. It's a completely different world from ours. They invest on behalf of other people (or more often, institutions). So while they have huge resources at their command, they have to answer to their investors, and this makes them excessively conservative. We much prefer using our own money, even if it limits what we can do.
    - python_kiss 20y ago
      Last question from YC's FAQ: Q. Are you looking for investors? A. Not at the moment. I always wondered why YC was reluctant to take outside investment. Now we know why :)

pg 20y ago

Believe it or not, some may. Several top-tier VCs have told me (truthfully or not) that some lower-grade VCs know their funds are never likely to make money, and they're just doing it for the fat management fees.

brett 20y ago
If that's true then question then is how bad off are you if you take money from such a lower-grade fund. In the long run is it not even worth it to take their money?
- pg 20y ago
  Interesting question. It might actually be ok to take money from a firm like that, if you didn't have any better alternatives. You wouldn't have the brand or connections of a top VC, but you'd at least have the money, which is not nothing.
acgourley 20y ago
Thats pretty amazing actually. It sounds like these lower-grade VC's could only be so cynical due to past experience, but if that is the case, who is putting them at the helm of large funds again and again?
- nostrademons 20y ago
  Second-tier university endowments and pension funds, the ones trying to catch Harvard & Amherst in endowment performance. They know that if the fund performs well, they look like a genius, yet if it fails, the poor college students and retirees are left holding the bag. The whole economy has a huge moral hazard problem. There's a reason why John Nash won a Nobel Prize.
staunch 20y ago
The way VCs raise their funds and get paid seems horribly broken. I think most of them hover between borderline fraud and out-right fraud. YC should kill all the sub-par VCs by scaling up massively and taking their billions in funding away.
- pg 20y ago
  You can't talk about VCs generally because there's such a difference between the good ones and the bad ones. The good ones serve their investors pretty well. We'd never compete with VCs, incidentally. It's a completely different world from ours. They invest on behalf of other people (or more often, institutions). So while they have huge resources at their command, they have to answer to their investors, and this makes them excessively conservative. We much prefer using our own money, even if it limits what we can do.
  - python_kiss 20y ago
    Last question from YC's FAQ: Q. Are you looking for investors? A. Not at the moment. I always wondered why YC was reluctant to take outside investment. Now we know why :)