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> People freak out about EV battery fires now (never mind that this is not actually the problem it is made out to be) Looking like quite a problem over in Luto

> People freak out about EV battery fires now (never mind that this is not actually the problem it is made out to be) Looking like quite a problem over in Luton https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67073446 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67073...

almost_usual 3y ago
Now imagine when a large earthquake hits a place like San Francisco. Most of the damage from the 1906 quake was caused by fire.
- sindriava 3y ago
  So what was on fire in 1906? Presumably cars were not nearly as widespread. Has anything relevant changed since then?
  - scrlk 3y ago
    > Within three days, over 30 fires, caused by ruptured gas mains, destroyed approximately 25,000 buildings on 490 city blocks. The fires cost an estimated $350 million at the time (equivalent to $8.08 billion in 2021). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake#Fires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake#...
  - almost_usual 3y ago
    > So what was on fire in 1906? The entire city, if you’re asking what started the fire ruptured gas mains caused quite a few. > Has anything relevant changed since then? The city is full of Lithium Ion batteries that can burn uncontrollably when crushed or punctured. These fires cannot be extinguished quickly unless special chemicals are used. SFFD has 43 engines and 19 ladder trucks. https://sf-fire.org/about-sffd-operations https://sf-fire.org/about-sffd-operations SF also has the Auxillary Water Supply System (AWSS) but extinguishing many EV fires will not be practical with only water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Fire_Department_Auxiliary_Water_Supply_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Fire_Departmen...
  - hondo77 3y ago
    Lots. Of. Wood.
sindriava 3y ago
I fail to see anything related to EVs in that article.
cbo100 3y ago
No mention of EVs in that article, but even if there were, it's not like car fires are a new thing. Maybe better phrasing would be "not actually the new problem it is made out to be"? 1,400 cars burn, not an EV in sight: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-parking-garage-fire-destroys-1400-cars/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-parking-garage-fire-destroy... and it seems fires at airport car parks are surprisingly common... https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/cars-seen-on-fire-out-23960119 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manches... https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-fire-image-picture-16363133 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manches...
richij 3y ago
Local fire service is on record saying car zero was a Diesel Range Rover (not even a hybrid).
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almost_usual 3y ago

Now imagine when a large earthquake hits a place like San Francisco. Most of the damage from the 1906 quake was caused by fire.

sindriava 3y ago
So what was on fire in 1906? Presumably cars were not nearly as widespread. Has anything relevant changed since then?
- scrlk 3y ago
  > Within three days, over 30 fires, caused by ruptured gas mains, destroyed approximately 25,000 buildings on 490 city blocks. The fires cost an estimated $350 million at the time (equivalent to $8.08 billion in 2021). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake#Fires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake#...
- almost_usual 3y ago
  > So what was on fire in 1906? The entire city, if you’re asking what started the fire ruptured gas mains caused quite a few. > Has anything relevant changed since then? The city is full of Lithium Ion batteries that can burn uncontrollably when crushed or punctured. These fires cannot be extinguished quickly unless special chemicals are used. SFFD has 43 engines and 19 ladder trucks. https://sf-fire.org/about-sffd-operations https://sf-fire.org/about-sffd-operations SF also has the Auxillary Water Supply System (AWSS) but extinguishing many EV fires will not be practical with only water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Fire_Department_Auxiliary_Water_Supply_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Fire_Departmen...
- hondo77 3y ago
  Lots. Of. Wood.

sindriava 3y ago

I fail to see anything related to EVs in that article.

cbo100 3y ago

No mention of EVs in that article, but even if there were, it's not like car fires are a new thing. Maybe better phrasing would be "not actually the new problem it is made out to be"? 1,400 cars burn, not an EV in sight: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-parking-garage-fire-destroys-1400-cars/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-k-parking-garage-fire-destroy... and it seems fires at airport car parks are surprisingly common... https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/cars-seen-on-fire-out-23960119 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manches... https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-fire-image-picture-16363133 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manches...

richij 3y ago

Local fire service is on record saying car zero was a Diesel Range Rover (not even a hybrid).

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