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> So exactly how is Apple stopping you from implementing the entire CUDA API Well, neither the hardware or software supports PCI access, so... connectivity wou

> So exactly how is Apple stopping you from implementing the entire CUDA API Well, neither the hardware or software supports PCI access, so... connectivity would be a start. It's about time iPhone supported Thunderbolt anyways. > So are you saying that {Apple Music is more popular on iOS than Spotify?, ...} I'm saying that Apple exerts a literal anticompetitive advantage by choosing their own margins (among many other things). Nothing about legislation like the Digital Market Act accuses Apple of monopoly. It designates them as a Gatekeeper (a position Apple chose) and holds them subject to additional guidelines. That is the cost of owning a userbase in Europe, now.

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes it should support thunderbolt like all of the Android manufacturers. How is Apple “choosing their own margins?” None of the example I listed pay Apple one penny for in app purchases. I guess since the tech industry in Europe can’t export anything worthwhile, passing legislation is the best they have.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > I guess since the tech industry in Europe can’t export anything worthwhile Let's see! I, for one, would be very excited to watch Apple admit that the European audience isn't worth their while. After all, Apple acquires their companies year[0] after year[1] after year[2] after year[3] after year[4] after year[5] after year[6] after year[7] after year[8] after year[9] after year[10] after year[11] after year[12] after year[13]. Well, maybe Europe matters to Apple... b-but not much! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIS_Records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIS_Records [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronshevlin/2022/03/27/why-apple-acquired-a-uk-based-open-banking-fintech/?sh=220bb0c910e7 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronshevlin/2022/03/27/why-apple... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primephonic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primephonic [3] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/03/apple-acquires-ai-startup-voysis/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/03/apple-acquires-ai-start... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_XMM_modems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_XMM_modems [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_Semiconductor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_Semiconductor [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beddit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beddit [7] https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-acquired-finnish-company-indoor-io-help-it-map-indoor-spaces-2016-12?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-acquired-finnish-compa... [8] https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/24/apple-faceshift/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/24/apple-faceshift/ [9] https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-apple-buys-digital-magazine-platform-prss https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-apple-buys-digital-magazin... [10] https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/28/apple-reportedly-acquires-swedish-firm-algotrim-a-company-that-does-mobile-media-and-data-compression/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/28/apple-reportedly-acquires-... [11] https://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30/apple-acquiring-italian-digital-audio-editing-software-firm-redmatica/ https://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30/apple-acquiring-italian... [12] https://venturebeat.com/mobile/apple-buys-c3-technologies-one-more-cut-into-google-maps-yoke/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/apple-buys-c3-technologies-on... [13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Rose_(facial_recognition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Rose_(facial_recognition...
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    So none of them could make it on their own as an ongoing concern…
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Evidently Apple can't make it on their own, either. If Europe meant nothing to them, they'd just leave. ...I don't even give a half-shit about Europe, either. I just find it funny how their sovereignty pisses off corporate sycophants so much. People like you actually get worked-up into writing comment-after-comment of non-argument, refusing to write something more substantiated than ad-hominem attacks. All I have to do to refute you is cite my sources.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        This coming from someone who is asking why you can’t use CUDA - which only works on Nvidia hardware on ab iPhone and then suggest Apple supports external GPUs via Thunderbolt on the iPhone just in case someone wants to carry around an Nvidua breakout box to do intensive GPU work on an iPhone. Of course you would also need a power plug. And this is why when you leave geeks to their own devices they end up designing something like the Homermobile. And none of “Apple’s competitors” pay a penny for in app purchases to Apple. They all force you to subscribe outside of the App Store.
        smoldesu 3y ago
        Now you're back down to ad-hominem again. > you can’t use CUDA - which only works on Nvidia hardware Tell me you've never used CUDA without telling me you've never used CUDA. Before Apple revoked Nvidia's certificates, they in fact did support CUDA on Apple hardware. You needed an Nvidia GPU to run it, but Apple hardware and software is a perfectly usable client: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/cuda/mac-driver-archive/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/cuda/mac-driver-archive... Failing that, Nvidia still maintains BSD-style drivers if Apple did let them install their drivers. Now you're going to yell at me about how this is an unrealistic workflow, but plugging your iPhone or Mac into a TV, DAC or external drive isn't. > just in case someone wants to carry around an Nvidua breakout box to do intensive GPU work on an iPhone. Sure. They exist, nothing on the technical side stops Apple from implementing it. My point is not that they must add the feature, but that it is totally possible if Apple didn't arbitrarily limit userspace drivers. Draw your own conclusions about it, I couldn't give less of a shit. If changing the iPhone to Thunderbolt and supporting eGPUs in software is equivalent to a "Homermobile" in your head, get a grip.

scarface_74 3y ago

Yes it should support thunderbolt like all of the Android manufacturers. How is Apple “choosing their own margins?” None of the example I listed pay Apple one penny for in app purchases. I guess since the tech industry in Europe can’t export anything worthwhile, passing legislation is the best they have.

smoldesu 3y ago
> I guess since the tech industry in Europe can’t export anything worthwhile Let's see! I, for one, would be very excited to watch Apple admit that the European audience isn't worth their while. After all, Apple acquires their companies year[0] after year[1] after year[2] after year[3] after year[4] after year[5] after year[6] after year[7] after year[8] after year[9] after year[10] after year[11] after year[12] after year[13]. Well, maybe Europe matters to Apple... b-but not much! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIS_Records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIS_Records [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronshevlin/2022/03/27/why-apple-acquired-a-uk-based-open-banking-fintech/?sh=220bb0c910e7 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronshevlin/2022/03/27/why-apple... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primephonic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primephonic [3] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/03/apple-acquires-ai-startup-voysis/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/03/apple-acquires-ai-start... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_XMM_modems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_XMM_modems [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_Semiconductor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_Semiconductor [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beddit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beddit [7] https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-acquired-finnish-company-indoor-io-help-it-map-indoor-spaces-2016-12?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-acquired-finnish-compa... [8] https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/24/apple-faceshift/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/24/apple-faceshift/ [9] https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-apple-buys-digital-magazine-platform-prss https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-apple-buys-digital-magazin... [10] https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/28/apple-reportedly-acquires-swedish-firm-algotrim-a-company-that-does-mobile-media-and-data-compression/ https://techcrunch.com/2013/08/28/apple-reportedly-acquires-... [11] https://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30/apple-acquiring-italian-digital-audio-editing-software-firm-redmatica/ https://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30/apple-acquiring-italian... [12] https://venturebeat.com/mobile/apple-buys-c3-technologies-one-more-cut-into-google-maps-yoke/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/apple-buys-c3-technologies-on... [13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Rose_(facial_recognition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Rose_(facial_recognition...
- scarface_74 3y ago
  So none of them could make it on their own as an ongoing concern…
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Evidently Apple can't make it on their own, either. If Europe meant nothing to them, they'd just leave. ...I don't even give a half-shit about Europe, either. I just find it funny how their sovereignty pisses off corporate sycophants so much. People like you actually get worked-up into writing comment-after-comment of non-argument, refusing to write something more substantiated than ad-hominem attacks. All I have to do to refute you is cite my sources.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      This coming from someone who is asking why you can’t use CUDA - which only works on Nvidia hardware on ab iPhone and then suggest Apple supports external GPUs via Thunderbolt on the iPhone just in case someone wants to carry around an Nvidua breakout box to do intensive GPU work on an iPhone. Of course you would also need a power plug. And this is why when you leave geeks to their own devices they end up designing something like the Homermobile. And none of “Apple’s competitors” pay a penny for in app purchases to Apple. They all force you to subscribe outside of the App Store.
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        Now you're back down to ad-hominem again. > you can’t use CUDA - which only works on Nvidia hardware Tell me you've never used CUDA without telling me you've never used CUDA. Before Apple revoked Nvidia's certificates, they in fact did support CUDA on Apple hardware. You needed an Nvidia GPU to run it, but Apple hardware and software is a perfectly usable client: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/cuda/mac-driver-archive/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/cuda/mac-driver-archive... Failing that, Nvidia still maintains BSD-style drivers if Apple did let them install their drivers. Now you're going to yell at me about how this is an unrealistic workflow, but plugging your iPhone or Mac into a TV, DAC or external drive isn't. > just in case someone wants to carry around an Nvidua breakout box to do intensive GPU work on an iPhone. Sure. They exist, nothing on the technical side stops Apple from implementing it. My point is not that they must add the feature, but that it is totally possible if Apple didn't arbitrarily limit userspace drivers. Draw your own conclusions about it, I couldn't give less of a shit. If changing the iPhone to Thunderbolt and supporting eGPUs in software is equivalent to a "Homermobile" in your head, get a grip.