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> Valve doesn't make games is ridiculous Valve is not a normal company; there's no hierarchy and they're only capable of doing things if someone at the company

> Valve doesn't make games is ridiculous Valve is not a normal company; there's no hierarchy and they're only capable of doing things if someone at the company decides to pay attention to it. Do you remember what happened to TF2? It first degraded into an item trading game, then they abandoned it for years and it was full of bots. There's no reason Overwatch and Apex should've replaced it except that they stopped fighting for it.

Alupis 3y ago
TF2 was released in 2007... and has over 100k players playing right now as you read this[1]. Counter-Strike is still one of the most-played games ever. CS:GO had an average of almost 1 million daily players while AAA Games like CoD Warzone hover around 200-500k. DOTA/DOTA2 also rakes it in. They also have many very successful single-player games. Valve is a wildly successful game company - they just don't do the "yearly release" dance... [1] https://steamcharts.com/app/440 https://steamcharts.com/app/440
- astrange 3y ago
  > TF2 was released in 2007... and has over 100k players playing right now as you read this[1]. They fixed it again after people sassed them enough about it, but it was always a better game than Overwatch and there's no reason people should've been tricked into playing that. (Though, I don't know if the people on right now are actually playing TF2 or just trading hats.)
- hadlock 3y ago
  TF2 today is mostly unplayable due to bots and weirdness with their player matching game. I put a lot of hours into TF2 and the experience is almost unrecognizable today. CS:GO was, I think, completely outsourced to a third party. They still produce some game-like artifacts but primarily they're the owner and operator of the premier online games store
  - Alupis 3y ago
    CS:GO is complicated - it started as a console port of CS:Source by a 3rd party developer, then was taken in-house and transformed into a full stand-alone new Counter-Strike game. So, it was indeed developed by Valve. IDK anything about TF2 - but bots or not, 100k active daily players is nothing to sneeze at for a 16 year old game. They are indeed the premier online game store - yes... but saying they are not a game developer is absurd. They don't release a new title every year, but when they do, it's a huge hit.

Alupis 3y ago

TF2 was released in 2007... and has over 100k players playing right now as you read this[1]. Counter-Strike is still one of the most-played games ever. CS:GO had an average of almost 1 million daily players while AAA Games like CoD Warzone hover around 200-500k. DOTA/DOTA2 also rakes it in. They also have many very successful single-player games. Valve is a wildly successful game company - they just don't do the "yearly release" dance... [1] https://steamcharts.com/app/440 https://steamcharts.com/app/440

astrange 3y ago
> TF2 was released in 2007... and has over 100k players playing right now as you read this[1]. They fixed it again after people sassed them enough about it, but it was always a better game than Overwatch and there's no reason people should've been tricked into playing that. (Though, I don't know if the people on right now are actually playing TF2 or just trading hats.)
hadlock 3y ago
TF2 today is mostly unplayable due to bots and weirdness with their player matching game. I put a lot of hours into TF2 and the experience is almost unrecognizable today. CS:GO was, I think, completely outsourced to a third party. They still produce some game-like artifacts but primarily they're the owner and operator of the premier online games store
- Alupis 3y ago
  CS:GO is complicated - it started as a console port of CS:Source by a 3rd party developer, then was taken in-house and transformed into a full stand-alone new Counter-Strike game. So, it was indeed developed by Valve. IDK anything about TF2 - but bots or not, 100k active daily players is nothing to sneeze at for a 16 year old game. They are indeed the premier online game store - yes... but saying they are not a game developer is absurd. They don't release a new title every year, but when they do, it's a huge hit.