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Apple's absolute top end models might go for $5,000, but then again, have you bought gaming computer components lately? I can't imagine I spent far off of $3000

Apple's absolute top end models might go for $5,000, but then again, have you bought gaming computer components lately? I can't imagine I spent far off of $3000 for my gaming computer all things taken into consideration (besides peripherals of course.) I only have not attempted to tally up the cost because I fear it would make me sick. Without actually listing a real drawback to using the platform besides "software providers decided not to support the platform," you come off as one of those drones that mindlessly hate on Apple products only because you don't want to pay for them. And to be clear, I'm not even your supposed opposition, in that I don't even own any Apple products besides an iPhone SE (which are notoriously cheaper than flagship Android phones.) I just find the Apple hating bickering to be about as childish as the Playstation vs Xbox console argument. And yes, I consider your comment to be childish bickering primarily because you don't have another argument besides "their product is more expensive than it's worth comparing hardware to hardware." Apple users understand that they're actually paying a premium for the software (the operating system), as well as the designed and usually fetching exterior (which to be fair does look nice, and I tend to prefer Macbook charging ports over Dell's old barrel ports.) Which, there is something to be said about an operating system that decided they don't want to run Java anymore. I'll grant that their software might have merit. Java web start apps are the bane of my enterprise existence.

Panzer04 3y ago
You can get a very competent gaming machine for 1k, especially usd. That gets you apple's bottom end laptop, if that. It's not comparable.
- starttoaster 3y ago
  You get a budget gaming machine for 1k these days, if that. The GPU almost steals your 1k budget by itself. Apple's new top end Mac Mini goes for $1300 and has a 10 core M2 Pro with a 16 core GPU, 16GB memory, and a 512GB SSD. More than enough to play Counter Strike 2 if Valve decided to support the platform. It's not comparable but not as outrageous as people say. But again, you're still thinking in terms of money here. Where the problem isn't with how much the computer costs. It's completely irrelevant, actually. The problem for Mac users is that the software providers in question in this discussion don't want to support MacOS, which is a decision totally on them. I have no strong opinions against their decision to not support them if the user base just isn't there. There's no doubt that there are tons of MacOS users, they just might not be users that intend to game on those computers the majority of the time. But I do feel empathy for Mac gamers, as that was historically the opinion of game studios refusing to support Linux machines. And to be honest, it's still the case that Linux users are second class citizens when it comes to games that require an anticheat to run (many online FPS games fall into this category.) None of the big anticheat providers want to port their software to run on Linux.
  - out_of_protocol 3y ago
    > The GPU almost steals your 1k budget by itself You can play almost any game on ancient GeForce 1080 (i do) with decent fps, except Starfield and maybe some other poorly optimized titles. On windows, that is. You can also play almost anything on SteamDeck (15W TDP max) on linux ($400 before discounts). You can't really play 3/4 of game catalog on MacBook Pro M1Pro or newer ($2000+)
    - starttoaster 3y ago
      So to make your argument you’re allowing the purchase of old, second hand hardware just to stay under budget. > You can't really play 3/4 of game catalog on MacBook Pro M1Pro or newer ($2000+) That’s what started this whole conversation actually… We are talking about the choice of game studios choosing to not support MacOS in their games.
- porridgeraisin 3y ago
  Exactly

Panzer04 3y ago

You can get a very competent gaming machine for 1k, especially usd. That gets you apple's bottom end laptop, if that. It's not comparable.

starttoaster 3y ago
You get a budget gaming machine for 1k these days, if that. The GPU almost steals your 1k budget by itself. Apple's new top end Mac Mini goes for $1300 and has a 10 core M2 Pro with a 16 core GPU, 16GB memory, and a 512GB SSD. More than enough to play Counter Strike 2 if Valve decided to support the platform. It's not comparable but not as outrageous as people say. But again, you're still thinking in terms of money here. Where the problem isn't with how much the computer costs. It's completely irrelevant, actually. The problem for Mac users is that the software providers in question in this discussion don't want to support MacOS, which is a decision totally on them. I have no strong opinions against their decision to not support them if the user base just isn't there. There's no doubt that there are tons of MacOS users, they just might not be users that intend to game on those computers the majority of the time. But I do feel empathy for Mac gamers, as that was historically the opinion of game studios refusing to support Linux machines. And to be honest, it's still the case that Linux users are second class citizens when it comes to games that require an anticheat to run (many online FPS games fall into this category.) None of the big anticheat providers want to port their software to run on Linux.
- out_of_protocol 3y ago
  > The GPU almost steals your 1k budget by itself You can play almost any game on ancient GeForce 1080 (i do) with decent fps, except Starfield and maybe some other poorly optimized titles. On windows, that is. You can also play almost anything on SteamDeck (15W TDP max) on linux ($400 before discounts). You can't really play 3/4 of game catalog on MacBook Pro M1Pro or newer ($2000+)
  - starttoaster 3y ago
    So to make your argument you’re allowing the purchase of old, second hand hardware just to stay under budget. > You can't really play 3/4 of game catalog on MacBook Pro M1Pro or newer ($2000+) That’s what started this whole conversation actually… We are talking about the choice of game studios choosing to not support MacOS in their games.
porridgeraisin 3y ago
Exactly