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There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in har

There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in hard to diagnose and repair ways. If you spent $100k on a truck, and you could spend $2k more to 'delete' some emissions equipment to prevent $10k+ worth of repairs in the future, would you do it?

floren 3y ago
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- strbean 3y ago
  Seems likely they are talking about semi trucks, not pickups.
  - linuxftw 3y ago
    Well, a 3500 diesel is all of $100k today (if you're getting 4 door, dually). I personally wouldn't spend that kind of cash unless I needed such a thing (like, to pay my bills with, not pull an RV or something). And if I was paying my bills with it, I'd make sure I keep it one the road, one way or the other.
- doubled112 3y ago
  It isn't just 100K trucks. I drive a 2013 VW diesel, and this year the warranty covered an EGR and a DPF, which is exactly the kind of thing deletes remove from the vehicle. That's about $6K in work on a vehicle I paid $14K for a couple of years ago. Next time, when it is out of warranty, should I take the car to the junk yard? Or delete them and never have another issue? Which is really better for the planet? Before anybody asks, no I do NOT want to roll coal. It's stupid and obnoxious. You can put a proper tune on a car and not have that issue. Soot is unburnt fuel, which means wasted fuel. You turned it up too high.
  - linuxftw 3y ago
    You're lucky it was under warranty (I'm assuming it's an extended warranty). Most manufacturers are only covering those items for 36 months. Imagine if the warranty was a federal minimum 300k miles/20 years. I bet they would design the components so the labor time is zero to replace them.
    - doubled112 3y ago
      Extended warranty. When Dieselgate was happening, my understanding is that you were offered a couple of options. One was to sell back the car. The other was to keep the car, do the fix, and accept an extra 10(?) years of fairly comprehensive warranty. It transferred ownership, which made them fairly attractive as a used car, which is why I have one. Has saved me literal thousands at this point, but after owning it a couple of years, I understand why everybody was happy to sell them back. They're junk, and the dealership experience leaves something to be desired too. Some of these warranty claims have had me running back and forth to the dealership. My record is 7 trips before they got it right. Another dealership left it spraying fuel all over the engine bay. That was a good time.
WirelessGigabit 3y ago
It's not on you to decide that I get to breathe in carcinogens.
- Osiris 3y ago
  As a motorcycle rider, these people that dump black smoke when they accelerate are just pumping poison straight into my lungs. I hate it so much because there’s nothing I can do about it. At least cars have cabin air filters. I get to suck it straight in unfiltered.
  - numtel 3y ago
    As a car driver without a cabin air filter, (are cabin air filters even effective against exhaust gases?) both diesel trucks and motorcycles require me to close my windows and vents because of the smell. At least cars have smog equipment to reduce the emissions. Motorcycles mostly don't.
    - dharmab 3y ago
      Most motorcycles made from 2017 onward have factory emissions equipment with cleanliness similar to cars (due to the Euro5 regulations from that year forward). Since most bikes have one configuration globally, even US models implemented Euro5.
  - devit 3y ago
    You could wear an FFP2 or FFP3 mask with a valve.

floren 3y ago

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strbean 3y ago
Seems likely they are talking about semi trucks, not pickups.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  Well, a 3500 diesel is all of $100k today (if you're getting 4 door, dually). I personally wouldn't spend that kind of cash unless I needed such a thing (like, to pay my bills with, not pull an RV or something). And if I was paying my bills with it, I'd make sure I keep it one the road, one way or the other.
doubled112 3y ago
It isn't just 100K trucks. I drive a 2013 VW diesel, and this year the warranty covered an EGR and a DPF, which is exactly the kind of thing deletes remove from the vehicle. That's about $6K in work on a vehicle I paid $14K for a couple of years ago. Next time, when it is out of warranty, should I take the car to the junk yard? Or delete them and never have another issue? Which is really better for the planet? Before anybody asks, no I do NOT want to roll coal. It's stupid and obnoxious. You can put a proper tune on a car and not have that issue. Soot is unburnt fuel, which means wasted fuel. You turned it up too high.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  You're lucky it was under warranty (I'm assuming it's an extended warranty). Most manufacturers are only covering those items for 36 months. Imagine if the warranty was a federal minimum 300k miles/20 years. I bet they would design the components so the labor time is zero to replace them.
  - doubled112 3y ago
    Extended warranty. When Dieselgate was happening, my understanding is that you were offered a couple of options. One was to sell back the car. The other was to keep the car, do the fix, and accept an extra 10(?) years of fairly comprehensive warranty. It transferred ownership, which made them fairly attractive as a used car, which is why I have one. Has saved me literal thousands at this point, but after owning it a couple of years, I understand why everybody was happy to sell them back. They're junk, and the dealership experience leaves something to be desired too. Some of these warranty claims have had me running back and forth to the dealership. My record is 7 trips before they got it right. Another dealership left it spraying fuel all over the engine bay. That was a good time.

WirelessGigabit 3y ago

It's not on you to decide that I get to breathe in carcinogens.

Osiris 3y ago
As a motorcycle rider, these people that dump black smoke when they accelerate are just pumping poison straight into my lungs. I hate it so much because there’s nothing I can do about it. At least cars have cabin air filters. I get to suck it straight in unfiltered.
- numtel 3y ago
  As a car driver without a cabin air filter, (are cabin air filters even effective against exhaust gases?) both diesel trucks and motorcycles require me to close my windows and vents because of the smell. At least cars have smog equipment to reduce the emissions. Motorcycles mostly don't.
  - dharmab 3y ago
    Most motorcycles made from 2017 onward have factory emissions equipment with cleanliness similar to cars (due to the Euro5 regulations from that year forward). Since most bikes have one configuration globally, even US models implemented Euro5.
- devit 3y ago
  You could wear an FFP2 or FFP3 mask with a valve.