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I’m asking as I am interested. I don’t see this as a problem for the Us to solve, though they can. It’s primarily a European problem but the world as a whole n

I’m asking as I am interested. I don’t see this as a problem for the Us to solve, though they can. It’s primarily a European problem but the world as a whole needs to address it and show that the methods used by Russia will not be tolerated. Until 2022 Russia was clearly shown that their actions were ok, frowned upon but tolerated. It seems we are in a holding pattern now, and the west could swing it if it really wanted to.

wongarsu 3y ago
Ukraine might be Europe's problem, but it's the US's opportunity. The US is clearly interested in hurting their arch-enemy, and the Ukraine war is the most cost-effective way to do so that has existed in decades. As far as swinging against Russia: I'm not so sure that'd work. We can ensure that Russia keeps losing manpower, equipment and political capital against Ukraine. Maybe we could break the stalemate by establishing air superiority, though that might cost more Western lives than people are comfortable with. But that's about the extend of it. Sure, we could drive German tanks into Moscow. But all that's going to do is galvanize the Russian people against the West, and cause Russian military to fall back and dig in in the rest of the country. There's a reason people say you can't win a land war against Russia: the country is about half the size of Africa. Even just the European part is half the size of the US. It's incredibly hard to occupy, and historically most invaders failed at keeping supply lines intact.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Sure, we could drive German tanks into Moscow. But all that's going to do is galvanize the Russian people against the West, and cause Russian military to fall back and dig in in the rest of the country. As much as I'd love to see the Ukrainian flag fly on the Kremlin and Putin dragged in front of an international tribunal: No notable voice I'm aware of is calling for / advocating for Ukraine to actually march onto Russian territory beyond quick skirmishes (such as the daring raid on the Belgorod fuel depot), and all Western weapons come with the official requirement that they not be used on Russian soil (for the Taurus, the reported reason why Scholz is holding it up is because he wants the manufacturer to geo-fence it).

wongarsu 3y ago

Ukraine might be Europe's problem, but it's the US's opportunity. The US is clearly interested in hurting their arch-enemy, and the Ukraine war is the most cost-effective way to do so that has existed in decades. As far as swinging against Russia: I'm not so sure that'd work. We can ensure that Russia keeps losing manpower, equipment and political capital against Ukraine. Maybe we could break the stalemate by establishing air superiority, though that might cost more Western lives than people are comfortable with. But that's about the extend of it. Sure, we could drive German tanks into Moscow. But all that's going to do is galvanize the Russian people against the West, and cause Russian military to fall back and dig in in the rest of the country. There's a reason people say you can't win a land war against Russia: the country is about half the size of Africa. Even just the European part is half the size of the US. It's incredibly hard to occupy, and historically most invaders failed at keeping supply lines intact.

mschuster91 3y ago
> Sure, we could drive German tanks into Moscow. But all that's going to do is galvanize the Russian people against the West, and cause Russian military to fall back and dig in in the rest of the country. As much as I'd love to see the Ukrainian flag fly on the Kremlin and Putin dragged in front of an international tribunal: No notable voice I'm aware of is calling for / advocating for Ukraine to actually march onto Russian territory beyond quick skirmishes (such as the daring raid on the Belgorod fuel depot), and all Western weapons come with the official requirement that they not be used on Russian soil (for the Taurus, the reported reason why Scholz is holding it up is because he wants the manufacturer to geo-fence it).