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>> Most of the people who do this have a lot of technical skill but not a lot of opportunity to get paid for it based on where they live or the circumstances of

>> Most of the people who do this have a lot of technical skill but not a lot of opportunity to get paid for it based on where they live or the circumstances of their upbringing. LOL. No there are plenty of legitimate enterprises as well as opportunity to immigrate. Especially in tech. These guys are just criminals.

xnickb 3y ago
Have you tried that yourself? Especially as someone who has the skills but doesn't speak the language. I know people who can't relocate because of communication issues and/or cultural differences. No they aren't criminals, but they are definitely underpaid compared to those who managed to relocate.
- sharkoz 3y ago
  If they operate botnets, I think it's fair to call them criminals
  - colinsane 3y ago
    probably, or if they aren’t directly criminals they’re probably facilitating criminals. but if you were very particular about it you could in theory set up in a country which doesn’t have treaties with any of the countries in which the victims operate.
- chuckSu 3y ago
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- ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  It is only criminal if the botnets are used to steal something. DDoS-in just for fun is at most an annoyance.
  - grog454 3y ago
    Yeah, hospitals can't stand that kind of thing...
    - ExoticPearTree 3y ago
      They should have better IT. Blaming it on the people that knock them off will not make improve the situation.
      - ajcp 3y ago
        So your logic is: condemning people for criminal behavior is not useful because it de-incentivizes their victims from being vigilant against that criminal behavior. Am I getting that right?
        ExoticPearTree 3y ago
        No. My logic is that when it comes to computers, it's a battle of the brains: who is smarter than the other one. And the result is usually a novel way of attacking someone, and then finding novel ways to defend and on and on. So that's why I strongly believe in hiring smarter people to defend your castle, rather than swatting people smarter than you because you're not as smart as the other side.
NikolaNovak 3y ago
Not to condone the DDoS activities in the least, but that's just ignorance. Which prosperous country accepts evrn remotely as many legal immigrants as apply / would want to move there? And a lot of people / political parties are constantly lobbying for less immigration :-/
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xnickb 3y ago

Have you tried that yourself? Especially as someone who has the skills but doesn't speak the language. I know people who can't relocate because of communication issues and/or cultural differences. No they aren't criminals, but they are definitely underpaid compared to those who managed to relocate.

sharkoz 3y ago
If they operate botnets, I think it's fair to call them criminals
- colinsane 3y ago
  probably, or if they aren’t directly criminals they’re probably facilitating criminals. but if you were very particular about it you could in theory set up in a country which doesn’t have treaties with any of the countries in which the victims operate.
chuckSu 3y ago
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ExoticPearTree 3y ago
It is only criminal if the botnets are used to steal something. DDoS-in just for fun is at most an annoyance.
- grog454 3y ago
  Yeah, hospitals can't stand that kind of thing...
  - ExoticPearTree 3y ago
    They should have better IT. Blaming it on the people that knock them off will not make improve the situation.
    - ajcp 3y ago
      So your logic is: condemning people for criminal behavior is not useful because it de-incentivizes their victims from being vigilant against that criminal behavior. Am I getting that right?
      - ExoticPearTree 3y ago
        No. My logic is that when it comes to computers, it's a battle of the brains: who is smarter than the other one. And the result is usually a novel way of attacking someone, and then finding novel ways to defend and on and on. So that's why I strongly believe in hiring smarter people to defend your castle, rather than swatting people smarter than you because you're not as smart as the other side.

NikolaNovak 3y ago

Not to condone the DDoS activities in the least, but that's just ignorance. Which prosperous country accepts evrn remotely as many legal immigrants as apply / would want to move there? And a lot of people / political parties are constantly lobbying for less immigration :-/

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