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That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? > The data covers multiple methods of unlicensed content delivery including Streaming,

That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? > The data covers multiple methods of unlicensed content delivery including Streaming, P2P Torrents, Web Downloads and Stream-ripper sites We're just assuming that the audience using these sites is the exact same audience as the comparison? > cinema revenue at the individual premises and film-title level [in the North American market] I think one audience learns about a new movie on a torrent site and then goes to see it in the theatre. (Another audience never uses torrent sites. Another uses them but rarely goes to the theatre, etc) If there's statistically significant data about the first audience (as the article claims), that's interesting.

aidenn0 3y ago
> We're just assuming that the audience using these sites is the exact same audience as the comparison? No, we are assuming they are highly correlated.
- cantSpellSober 3y ago
  No we aren't, the authors of the study argue that they are based on their data
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    Which is not at all surprising from my personal experience. It's not like people who use torrent sites live in a completely different world from those who don't. The argument that piracy drives box office sales would surprise me, except in a few cases (e.g. I would believe that some limited release movies might get exposure via piracy causing a wider release) that are more the exception than the rule.
    - cantSpellSober 3y ago
      I agree, we aren't "assuming they are highly correlated," as you said. > The argument that piracy drives box office sales would surprise me Me too! It would be interesting if it did however; I can imagine a case where a user of an unlicensed site learned about a movie there and wanted to see it on the big screen. If you read the study they don't argue that however.
      - aidenn0 3y ago
        I misinterpreted your comment that I first responded to as arguing that.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
> That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? Indeed, this is at the top of the article (emphasis mine): > New research from piracy tracking firm MUSO shows that movie piracy is strongly linked to box office revenues. When pirated downloads peak or slow down, movie theater visits show a similar trend. While this may sound counterintuitive, the finding is actually quite obvious. Correlation is not causation and pirates are people too.
- cantSpellSober 3y ago
  Thanks I read the article. From the study: > Thus there is a very strong, statistically significant, positive correlation between Box Office revenue and unlicensed consumption
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    I am not sure of your point. What is the significance of that statement if not to say that increases in "unlicensed consumption" don't decrease box office revenue? The fact that they have a positive correlation is kinda the default; one doesn't affect the other and there's likely instead some other cause for the statistically significant correlation, such as popularity.
    - cantSpellSober 3y ago
      It's not my point, the significance is listed under Conclusions.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
        Sorry for the confusion. Stepping back to my initial reply, you asked: > That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? And I intended to answer the question with how their statement is related to the article by pointing out that this statement is written at the start of the article: > New research from piracy tracking firm MUSO shows that movie piracy is strongly linked to box office revenues. When pirated downloads peak or slow down, movie theater visits show a similar trend. While this may sound counterintuitive, the finding is actually quite obvious. Correlation is not causation and pirates are people too. I didn't understand your point when you responded by saying: > Thanks I read the article. From the study: >> Thus there is a very strong, statistically significant, positive correlation between Box Office revenue and unlicensed consumption What is the significance of the statement you quoted as a reply to mine? That's what I don't follow. (Thanks for the time you've taken so far with your replies!)

aidenn0 3y ago

> We're just assuming that the audience using these sites is the exact same audience as the comparison? No, we are assuming they are highly correlated.

cantSpellSober 3y ago
No we aren't, the authors of the study argue that they are based on their data
- aidenn0 3y ago
  Which is not at all surprising from my personal experience. It's not like people who use torrent sites live in a completely different world from those who don't. The argument that piracy drives box office sales would surprise me, except in a few cases (e.g. I would believe that some limited release movies might get exposure via piracy causing a wider release) that are more the exception than the rule.
  - cantSpellSober 3y ago
    I agree, we aren't "assuming they are highly correlated," as you said. > The argument that piracy drives box office sales would surprise me Me too! It would be interesting if it did however; I can imagine a case where a user of an unlicensed site learned about a movie there and wanted to see it on the big screen. If you read the study they don't argue that however.
    - aidenn0 3y ago
      I misinterpreted your comment that I first responded to as arguing that.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago

> That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? Indeed, this is at the top of the article (emphasis mine): > New research from piracy tracking firm MUSO shows that movie piracy is strongly linked to box office revenues. When pirated downloads peak or slow down, movie theater visits show a similar trend. While this may sound counterintuitive, the finding is actually quite obvious. Correlation is not causation and pirates are people too.

cantSpellSober 3y ago
Thanks I read the article. From the study: > Thus there is a very strong, statistically significant, positive correlation between Box Office revenue and unlicensed consumption
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  I am not sure of your point. What is the significance of that statement if not to say that increases in "unlicensed consumption" don't decrease box office revenue? The fact that they have a positive correlation is kinda the default; one doesn't affect the other and there's likely instead some other cause for the statistically significant correlation, such as popularity.
  - cantSpellSober 3y ago
    It's not my point, the significance is listed under Conclusions.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
      Sorry for the confusion. Stepping back to my initial reply, you asked: > That's a very generic conclusion, is it related to this article somehow? And I intended to answer the question with how their statement is related to the article by pointing out that this statement is written at the start of the article: > New research from piracy tracking firm MUSO shows that movie piracy is strongly linked to box office revenues. When pirated downloads peak or slow down, movie theater visits show a similar trend. While this may sound counterintuitive, the finding is actually quite obvious. Correlation is not causation and pirates are people too. I didn't understand your point when you responded by saying: > Thanks I read the article. From the study: >> Thus there is a very strong, statistically significant, positive correlation between Box Office revenue and unlicensed consumption What is the significance of the statement you quoted as a reply to mine? That's what I don't follow. (Thanks for the time you've taken so far with your replies!)