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And it is only Spotify making money in that arrangement. Music industry long ago came to terms with not making money from album/song sales, but use them as prom

And it is only Spotify making money in that arrangement. Music industry long ago came to terms with not making money from album/song sales, but use them as promotion platforms for Live Events, Merch and whatnot. Not saying your statement about Movie industry is inaccurate - yes, one (or few) super convenient platform(s) to contain all movies to rent/buy with high quality and reliable delivery would be amazing - but one flat price for streaming everything ala Spotify is not going to work for movies.

bitwize 3y ago
> Music industry long ago came to terms with not making money from album/song sales, but use them as promotion platforms for Live Events, Merch and whatnot. Piracy killed the profits in record sales and created a bimodal distribution for musicians wherein you're either Taylor Swift or the equivalent, or a struggling indie.
- mandmandam 3y ago
  > Piracy killed the profits in record sales and created a bimodal distribution for musicians wherein you're either Taylor Swift or the equivalent, or a struggling indie. Let's not pretend that record labels weren't massively warping the playing field for decades before the internet took off; or that piracy hasn't helped indie artists get discovered / blow up. There are studies on this, and the ones that weren't sponsored by record labels are pretty consistent in showing your statement to be false.
  - fractallyte 3y ago
    I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a moment. Record labels bled musicians, sure. Piracy just all-out stole their music - I doubt you'll find any documented instance where a musician was actually paid for their music by a kind pirate. Events, festivals, concerts should not be the only way a musician should hope to recoup some of the effort they put into creating music.
    - mandmandam 3y ago
      > Piracy just all-out stole their music - I doubt you'll find any documented instance where a musician was actually paid for their music by a kind pirate. That happens literally all the time. That's why there are studies about it. If you want to argue with the various study authors and find flaws in their methodology; go ahead. But the idea that no one who steals music would ever then pay for that music is absurd; on par with denying the moon landing, or that Azerbaijan exists. > Events, festivals, concerts should not be the only way a musician should hope to recoup some of the effort they put into creating music. I don't disagree in the slightest, but once again, the blame for that situation is squarely on the record labels. Bandcamp conclusively proved that independent musicians can make money from album sales, without the predatory industry machine, even as piracy continues unabated.

bitwize 3y ago

> Music industry long ago came to terms with not making money from album/song sales, but use them as promotion platforms for Live Events, Merch and whatnot. Piracy killed the profits in record sales and created a bimodal distribution for musicians wherein you're either Taylor Swift or the equivalent, or a struggling indie.

mandmandam 3y ago
> Piracy killed the profits in record sales and created a bimodal distribution for musicians wherein you're either Taylor Swift or the equivalent, or a struggling indie. Let's not pretend that record labels weren't massively warping the playing field for decades before the internet took off; or that piracy hasn't helped indie artists get discovered / blow up. There are studies on this, and the ones that weren't sponsored by record labels are pretty consistent in showing your statement to be false.
- fractallyte 3y ago
  I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a moment. Record labels bled musicians, sure. Piracy just all-out stole their music - I doubt you'll find any documented instance where a musician was actually paid for their music by a kind pirate. Events, festivals, concerts should not be the only way a musician should hope to recoup some of the effort they put into creating music.
  - mandmandam 3y ago
    > Piracy just all-out stole their music - I doubt you'll find any documented instance where a musician was actually paid for their music by a kind pirate. That happens literally all the time. That's why there are studies about it. If you want to argue with the various study authors and find flaws in their methodology; go ahead. But the idea that no one who steals music would ever then pay for that music is absurd; on par with denying the moon landing, or that Azerbaijan exists. > Events, festivals, concerts should not be the only way a musician should hope to recoup some of the effort they put into creating music. I don't disagree in the slightest, but once again, the blame for that situation is squarely on the record labels. Bandcamp conclusively proved that independent musicians can make money from album sales, without the predatory industry machine, even as piracy continues unabated.