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> Privacy, long term, will mean the fall of civilization. I'm curious about your rationalization for this. Lack of privacy will also mean the fall of civilizat
by seanw444 3y ago
> Privacy, long term, will mean the fall of civilization.
I'm curious about your rationalization for this. Lack of privacy will also mean the fall of civilization. Civilization is just doomed to fail at one point or another. All things come to an end.
- gchamonlive 3y agoThis was me being sarcastic. Of course we need privacy, not because we have things to hide, but because individuality can only flourish without constant surveillance. Yes! All things come to an end and that is why some recent philosophers think that Plato was naive to think it could minimize or erradicate society rotting. This is where negative utilitarianism comes in, where the point of society is not to maximize happiness (and therefore prevent society from collapsing) but to minimize suffering (and therefore provide mechanisms to minimize damages from transitions between organization forms when society collapses). I have to refer you to Karl Popper's The Open Society for this, because needless to say this answer is very reductionist.
- seanw444 3y agoAh I just missed the sarcasm. Yeah, and when the sole goal is to minimize suffering, tyranny is introduced. "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- jorvi 3y agoThis discussion is somewhat reminiscent of "Don't hex the water".. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzhkwyoe5vI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzhkwyoe5vI