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I feel like "coping concepts" like this are why todays kids have more increased anxiety...It's medical imagery for heavens sake. There are some normal anxieties

I feel like "coping concepts" like this are why todays kids have more increased anxiety...It's medical imagery for heavens sake. There are some normal anxieties they just need to learn to face.

mr_sturd 3y ago
Kids will be less likely to lie still if they're anxious; slowing down the diagnostic process.
- pipeline_peak 3y ago
  They can't do a mock run?
  - mr_sturd 3y ago
    Every second can count in paediatrics, so won't always be possible.
  - mhb 3y ago
    In the $nnnnnnn MRI machine?
  - phone8675309 3y ago
    No, they don’t make mock MRI scanners at any significant volume, and an MRI scanner at a hospital is like an aircraft on the tarmac for an airline - every minute it’s not in use is a minute that the owner is losing money.
    - chmod775 3y ago
      These things aren't that expensive: about $1m - $3m for a top of the line one, and cost about $20k/month to operate on top of that. Depending on what kind of MRI you want, you can pay less than $200k. You can find used/refurbished GE Signa LX 1.5T's for ~$100k for instance. But let's assume you've got a million dollar top of the line model, the expected lifespan is 10 years, and you're using it 20 hours / day, then you need to account ~$100 per hour of usage. That's not a crazy amount in the medical world. Personnel costs of those operating / using it are going to outweigh the cost of the machine itself.
      - lostlogin 3y ago
        You aren’t far off. Costs vary hugely depending on machine spec and how it’s run. A gold plated set of contracts with specified uptime is not cheap, but it is easily a saving when you can’t bill thousands an hour due to an outage. Spreading the cost over 10 years is a little misleading. Scanners can last 15 years without too much drama, but upgrades every 5 or so years which cost hundreds of thousands can be expected. An outpatient scanner will not get 20 hours usage per day where I live, but a hospital one could. Staff costs, as you note, are huge and dwarf the scanner costs over its lifetime. I wouldn’t be surprised if staffing was a 10x multiplier on scanner costs.
0xcde4c3db 3y ago
Coping strategies are, by and large, how people learn to face sources of anxiety. Exposure does not reduce anxiety per se; if steps aren't taken to control or mitigate the anxiety response, it can be reinforced instead of diminished.
xwdv 3y ago
All the luxury and comfortable stuff we buy in life is basically just to help cope with life until our eventual death.
lostlogin 3y ago
Part of me agrees with you, but then you meet a kid who has some terrible illness and is afraid of X and needs it. It turns out that ‘just deal with it’ is a pretty cruel attitude when a child needs help. I’m not convinced that a Lego set will help get an MR done, but if these sets do help a few kids, that’s a pretty good thing. You never know what’ll help.
FireBeyond 3y ago
I would typically tend to disagree with you, but some thoughts. MRIs are fairly daunting machines. Even working in healthcare and as a firefighter, and having received multiple CT scans, my first MRI was a little intense. Mostly you're not necessarily in the best mindset to begin with... ... however, I do somewhat agree with you. Looking around Discord last week, I saw a bunch of servers with earnest "warnings" to people about the national alert test. "This is going to make a loud noise, and that may be frightening or scary to you, so we'd advise everyone to turn their phones and TVs off for the duration of the test to protect yourselves." and verbiage to that effect (suffice to say that wasn't an exaggeration). Things like that are teaching people to jump at shadows, and more concerningly, there is a steadily growing subset of people who revel, indeed sometimes take pride in this at self-identifying like this, lumping it under a vastly wider umbrella definition of 'neurodivergent' than was ever intended by that moniker.

I feel like "coping concepts" like this are why todays kids have more increased anxiety...It's medical imagery for heavens sake. There are some normal anxieties they just need to learn to face.

mr_sturd 3y ago

Kids will be less likely to lie still if they're anxious; slowing down the diagnostic process.

pipeline_peak 3y ago
They can't do a mock run?
- mr_sturd 3y ago
  Every second can count in paediatrics, so won't always be possible.
- mhb 3y ago
  In the $nnnnnnn MRI machine?
- phone8675309 3y ago
  No, they don’t make mock MRI scanners at any significant volume, and an MRI scanner at a hospital is like an aircraft on the tarmac for an airline - every minute it’s not in use is a minute that the owner is losing money.
  - chmod775 3y ago
    These things aren't that expensive: about $1m - $3m for a top of the line one, and cost about $20k/month to operate on top of that. Depending on what kind of MRI you want, you can pay less than $200k. You can find used/refurbished GE Signa LX 1.5T's for ~$100k for instance. But let's assume you've got a million dollar top of the line model, the expected lifespan is 10 years, and you're using it 20 hours / day, then you need to account ~$100 per hour of usage. That's not a crazy amount in the medical world. Personnel costs of those operating / using it are going to outweigh the cost of the machine itself.
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      You aren’t far off. Costs vary hugely depending on machine spec and how it’s run. A gold plated set of contracts with specified uptime is not cheap, but it is easily a saving when you can’t bill thousands an hour due to an outage. Spreading the cost over 10 years is a little misleading. Scanners can last 15 years without too much drama, but upgrades every 5 or so years which cost hundreds of thousands can be expected. An outpatient scanner will not get 20 hours usage per day where I live, but a hospital one could. Staff costs, as you note, are huge and dwarf the scanner costs over its lifetime. I wouldn’t be surprised if staffing was a 10x multiplier on scanner costs.

0xcde4c3db 3y ago

Coping strategies are, by and large, how people learn to face sources of anxiety. Exposure does not reduce anxiety per se; if steps aren't taken to control or mitigate the anxiety response, it can be reinforced instead of diminished.

xwdv 3y ago

All the luxury and comfortable stuff we buy in life is basically just to help cope with life until our eventual death.

lostlogin 3y ago

Part of me agrees with you, but then you meet a kid who has some terrible illness and is afraid of X and needs it. It turns out that ‘just deal with it’ is a pretty cruel attitude when a child needs help. I’m not convinced that a Lego set will help get an MR done, but if these sets do help a few kids, that’s a pretty good thing. You never know what’ll help.

FireBeyond 3y ago

I would typically tend to disagree with you, but some thoughts. MRIs are fairly daunting machines. Even working in healthcare and as a firefighter, and having received multiple CT scans, my first MRI was a little intense. Mostly you're not necessarily in the best mindset to begin with... ... however, I do somewhat agree with you. Looking around Discord last week, I saw a bunch of servers with earnest "warnings" to people about the national alert test. "This is going to make a loud noise, and that may be frightening or scary to you, so we'd advise everyone to turn their phones and TVs off for the duration of the test to protect yourselves." and verbiage to that effect (suffice to say that wasn't an exaggeration). Things like that are teaching people to jump at shadows, and more concerningly, there is a steadily growing subset of people who revel, indeed sometimes take pride in this at self-identifying like this, lumping it under a vastly wider umbrella definition of 'neurodivergent' than was ever intended by that moniker.