I doubt many framework creators intended the framework to be a substitute for learning the actual language. They're usually built to help with code organizatio

I doubt many framework creators intended the framework to be a substitute for learning the actual language. They're usually built to help with code organization, reduce boring repetitive work, deal with cross-platform glitches, etc. It's difficult when you first start, though, because it can be confusing to know the difference between a language and a framework. Especially so in native GUI development, in my opinion. But I think whether people start off with a framework or not, eventually they can wind up in the same place. Because frameworks are often built using good practices, so the newbie learns good habits, and has to fill in their language gaps. Someone who starts with fundamentals may not know how to organize code until they discover some frameworks.