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To be perfectly frank: The world has an extremely short memory, and Israel is the only country that seems concerned about placating it. Three days after 260 una

To be perfectly frank: The world has an extremely short memory, and Israel is the only country that seems concerned about placating it. Three days after 260 unarmed people were murdered tree-to-tree in a festival, the dominant headline in the West is that some bad things might happen to the people who committed the massacre. Yet: The "west" is already willing to make terms with the Taliban or the Assad regime or China while they still massacre civilians in Xinjian. Or send $6Bn to Iran days after it slaughtered protesters. It's not precisely that Israel is too timid, it's that Israel does actually care about human rights more than the supposed human rights champions who they can never possible please. That is what Hamas has interpreted to be Israel's weakness, and they are right. I don't want to see any deaths of civilians in Gaza. But Israel needs to accept the reality that the world will never like them. The world found plenty of reasons to hate Jews before Israel existed, and they will always find reasons. To survive, you don't need to ask permission. The only course of action is to terminate Hamas completely, regardless of civilian cost, while trying to maintain whatever level of humanity is possible. You cannot respond to this with anything less than obliteration of the regime that authorized it; and if that extends to Iran, then so be it.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
>To survive, you don't need to ask permission. The only course of action is to terminate Hamas completely, regardless of civilian cost, while trying to maintain whatever level of humanity is possible. You cannot respond to this with anything less than obliteration of the regime that authorized it; and if that extends to Iran, then so be it. You dont need permission to survive, but if they act without restraint or proportionality, countries will find their friends turning to enemies, and that they have become worse that those they fight. There is no way to terminate Hamas completely, because it feeds on Palestinian resentment and Israeli violence. Why do you think it attacked- Its not like they had a chance or even a plan of holding territory. The only way to obliterate Hamas completely would be for Israel round up every Palestinian in Gaza and put them in gas chambers, then go after the diaspora.
- noduerme 3y ago
  I don't think Hamas attacked out of hopelessness. And I don't think they had no plan. Hamas's goal is the total destruction of Israel, removal or death of all Jews, and (their) fundamentalist Islamic rule over the "river to the sea". None of that is required for a successful Palestinian national movement. Certainly it's not the aspiration of every Palestinian in Gaza, who are largely more oppressed by Hamas than they are by Israel on the daily. But Hamas does have a plan. You're missing it, because it's based on an absurd belief of theirs. They believe that if they can make living in Israel too scary and too costly, the Jews will leave. That's what this is about. The funny thing is, the Arabs actually have somewhere else to conceivable go (i.e. the country of Palestine, which is called Jordan). The Jews do not. But when you look at the attack from this perspective, you see the logic of the attack - and of filming their own crimes for maximum terror.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    I think you are missing my point. Israel can't eliminate Hamas because their goals and plans are already detached from reality. No amounts of defeat can make them give up, because the real chance of "victory" doesnt even come into the calculation. Any goal or plan for victory over Israel is just a delusional pretext for revenge - it doesnt have to withstand the scrutiny of reality. As long as there are angry Palestinians seeking revenge above all else, Hamas will continue to exist. There is no possibility of militarily destroying Hamas, because they intentionally embed themselves in the civilian population; and by doing so, the collateral damage from every fighter killed creates new ones to fill their place.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

>To survive, you don't need to ask permission. The only course of action is to terminate Hamas completely, regardless of civilian cost, while trying to maintain whatever level of humanity is possible. You cannot respond to this with anything less than obliteration of the regime that authorized it; and if that extends to Iran, then so be it. You dont need permission to survive, but if they act without restraint or proportionality, countries will find their friends turning to enemies, and that they have become worse that those they fight. There is no way to terminate Hamas completely, because it feeds on Palestinian resentment and Israeli violence. Why do you think it attacked- Its not like they had a chance or even a plan of holding territory. The only way to obliterate Hamas completely would be for Israel round up every Palestinian in Gaza and put them in gas chambers, then go after the diaspora.

noduerme 3y ago
I don't think Hamas attacked out of hopelessness. And I don't think they had no plan. Hamas's goal is the total destruction of Israel, removal or death of all Jews, and (their) fundamentalist Islamic rule over the "river to the sea". None of that is required for a successful Palestinian national movement. Certainly it's not the aspiration of every Palestinian in Gaza, who are largely more oppressed by Hamas than they are by Israel on the daily. But Hamas does have a plan. You're missing it, because it's based on an absurd belief of theirs. They believe that if they can make living in Israel too scary and too costly, the Jews will leave. That's what this is about. The funny thing is, the Arabs actually have somewhere else to conceivable go (i.e. the country of Palestine, which is called Jordan). The Jews do not. But when you look at the attack from this perspective, you see the logic of the attack - and of filming their own crimes for maximum terror.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  I think you are missing my point. Israel can't eliminate Hamas because their goals and plans are already detached from reality. No amounts of defeat can make them give up, because the real chance of "victory" doesnt even come into the calculation. Any goal or plan for victory over Israel is just a delusional pretext for revenge - it doesnt have to withstand the scrutiny of reality. As long as there are angry Palestinians seeking revenge above all else, Hamas will continue to exist. There is no possibility of militarily destroying Hamas, because they intentionally embed themselves in the civilian population; and by doing so, the collateral damage from every fighter killed creates new ones to fill their place.