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I'm sorry guys, Eastern Canada has lost it's mind (and has been this way for some time) and keeps electing idiots....

TMWNN 3y ago
This is why there is a secession movement in Alberta with meaningful support, and significant support for it in Saskatchewan and BC. As Peter Zeihan points out, secession in Canada is legal. Those who claim that "US Democrats would be Conservatives in Canada" are completely wrong. Were Canada a part of the US in 2016, Trump would have won a majority of the vote in Alberta and Saskatchewan, and would have done very well in BC outside downtown Vancouver/Vancouver Island, Manitoba, and parts of the Greater Toronto Area and southern Ontario (probably not rural Ontario). In other words, the chunks of Canada that are the most similar to the chunks of the US that voted for Trump. The GTA parts I'm talking about are the ones that loved Rob Ford as mayor, and swung heavily for Doug Ford in 2018.
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  I don't really buy the meaningful support thing yet. I would say a small minority of vocal people that have zero chance of winning a secession referendum at this time. If the east keeps taking 20+ billion a year in taxes for ~5 billion in services provided while simultaneously blocking resource development and doing other obviously unjust things like including resource revenue in Alberta's transfer payment calculation and not including resource revenue from hydro in Quebec's then maybe in 20-30 years they will have a slim chance. I think they know this too because they are pushing for disaggregation of services from Ottawa right now and actually have a chance of that because the cost of doing that is minimal and it will make their ultimate goal of leaving much easier if we have provincial pensions, police force, tax collection, etc. already in place.
  - TMWNN 3y ago
    >I think they know this too because they are pushing for disaggregation of services from Ottawa right now and actually have a chance of that because the cost of doing that is minimal and it will make their ultimate goal of leaving much easier if we have provincial pensions, police force, tax collection, etc. already in place. Oh, sure, the meltdown on Reddit over the plans to establish Alberta's own pension is an indication of just how worried the opponents are. Since they can't deny Quebec's precedent here, they're freaking out over how it would destroy the CPP, while simultaneously avoiding the obvious implication that claiming such would reinforce Alberta's complaints about being drained to support the rest of the country. I haven't seen similar meltdowns about reestablishing APP but I probably just haven't looked hard enough. My larger point is that, as I said, secession is legal in Canada. People are ignorant of/in denial over the full ramifications of Re Secession. <https://np.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/tkg5gf/who_has_more_autonomy_canadian_provinces_american/i1s9jgh/?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/tkg5gf/who_has_...>
    - snapplebobapple 3y ago
      I wasn't disagreeing with the larger point, I was nitpicking the details;)

This is why there is a secession movement in Alberta with meaningful support, and significant support for it in Saskatchewan and BC. As Peter Zeihan points out, secession in Canada is legal. Those who claim that "US Democrats would be Conservatives in Canada" are completely wrong. Were Canada a part of the US in 2016, Trump would have won a majority of the vote in Alberta and Saskatchewan, and would have done very well in BC outside downtown Vancouver/Vancouver Island, Manitoba, and parts of the Greater Toronto Area and southern Ontario (probably not rural Ontario). In other words, the chunks of Canada that are the most similar to the chunks of the US that voted for Trump. The GTA parts I'm talking about are the ones that loved Rob Ford as mayor, and swung heavily for Doug Ford in 2018.

snapplebobapple 3y ago
I don't really buy the meaningful support thing yet. I would say a small minority of vocal people that have zero chance of winning a secession referendum at this time. If the east keeps taking 20+ billion a year in taxes for ~5 billion in services provided while simultaneously blocking resource development and doing other obviously unjust things like including resource revenue in Alberta's transfer payment calculation and not including resource revenue from hydro in Quebec's then maybe in 20-30 years they will have a slim chance. I think they know this too because they are pushing for disaggregation of services from Ottawa right now and actually have a chance of that because the cost of doing that is minimal and it will make their ultimate goal of leaving much easier if we have provincial pensions, police force, tax collection, etc. already in place.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >I think they know this too because they are pushing for disaggregation of services from Ottawa right now and actually have a chance of that because the cost of doing that is minimal and it will make their ultimate goal of leaving much easier if we have provincial pensions, police force, tax collection, etc. already in place. Oh, sure, the meltdown on Reddit over the plans to establish Alberta's own pension is an indication of just how worried the opponents are. Since they can't deny Quebec's precedent here, they're freaking out over how it would destroy the CPP, while simultaneously avoiding the obvious implication that claiming such would reinforce Alberta's complaints about being drained to support the rest of the country. I haven't seen similar meltdowns about reestablishing APP but I probably just haven't looked hard enough. My larger point is that, as I said, secession is legal in Canada. People are ignorant of/in denial over the full ramifications of Re Secession. <https://np.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/tkg5gf/who_has_more_autonomy_canadian_provinces_american/i1s9jgh/?context=3 https://np.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/tkg5gf/who_has_...>
  - snapplebobapple 3y ago
    I wasn't disagreeing with the larger point, I was nitpicking the details;)