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At last. More of this please, Mozilla... One of the most annoying versions of this bug is when launching a full screen game, the mouse gets re-positioned and t

by Jach 3y ago

At last. More of this please, Mozilla... One of the most annoying versions of this bug is when launching a full screen game, the mouse gets re-positioned and triggers a tooltip, which is on top of the game, and the game doesn't like alt-tabbing when you unfocus it to go deal with Firefox, so you just have to restart it...

tuatoru 3y ago
Huh. At this very moment I am listening to Jonathan Blow's talk to DevGAMM four years ago, which has this kind of glitch as a recurring motif. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko&t=2729s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko&t=2729s
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  It's a common motif in desktop videogaming. The modern desktop computing model is a multitask windowed architecture where the mouse controls the cursor on the screen, a focused window receives events, and the keyboard generates events that may or may not translate to filling text buffers or activating behaviors based upon the subtle state of the concept of "focus." A videogame generally wants none of that: no windows controlled by the OS, no OS-provided cursor because it won't fit the game's visual theming (or makes no sense in that kind of game at all), other behaviors on the mouse, different keyboard behavior, and (if they could get away with it) no multitasking; you need all that CPU for game stuff. So shifting a desktop PC from "not playing a game" mode to "playing a game" mode is, historically, an extremely modal shift involving kicking most of the OS to the curb, rejecting its reality and replacing it with your own. Modern OSes have better abstractions for this, and modern computers can actually tolerate running background tasks alongside high-performance games (we've crossed a threshold where most reasonably-optimized games can't find anything to do with all your CPU because the experience is still long-polled by human perception speed). But the fundamental design tension is forever there.
rjzzleep 3y ago
I'm still waiting for to fix basic container tab behaviour [1]. I can't help but think that their product management is completely broken. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479858 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479858
- intothemild 3y ago
  There's countless people who have screamed that they want to switch from chrome, but can't because profiles don't work the way we want them too. And it's two seemingly small changes that need to happen too. 1. Make the UI around profiles better 2. When I click a link anywhere outside of the browser, open it in the last active window. Number 2 is the most important honestly
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Many people don't know that Profiles is carried over from Netscape 3.x days (IIRC). Code powering Profiles is probably is much more convoluted than people have realized. Addendum: The earliest reference I can find is around 2000 (https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/wincd/tips_netscape.htm https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/wincd/tips_netscape.htm), which coincides with Netscape 3/4 era.
    - reddalo 3y ago
      And, if I remember correctly, the whole Profile things was initially hidden in Firefox. I remember you couldn't easily switch profile without using the command line.
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        Yes, it was there, but not really supported. We had to (ab)use the feature for some stuff, but everything was read-only and locked down by enterprise profiles, so it was not a big problem for us. I think profiles are not supported as first class citizens, still. Shall that be improved? Yes. Will that be easy? I don't think so.
    - KennyBlanken 3y ago
      If they have the resources to constantly revamp the Firefox and Thunderbird UIs, they have the resources to rewrite the profile system.
      - 3y ago
ralferoo 3y ago
I remember commenting with a "me too + info" on a bug years and years ago and finally stopped using Firefox for good about a decade ago mostly because this bug had been annoying me multiple times a day for years and Chrome was finally good enough to replace it. It was always such a pain having to re-focus almost every firefox window until it disappeared to figure out where it'd come from because it'd often be something fairly generic like "Previous" that it'd choose to tooltip and push in front of absolutely everything else.

by Jach 3y ago

tuatoru 3y ago

Huh. At this very moment I am listening to Jonathan Blow's talk to DevGAMM four years ago, which has this kind of glitch as a recurring motif. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko&t=2729s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko&t=2729s

shadowgovt 3y ago
It's a common motif in desktop videogaming. The modern desktop computing model is a multitask windowed architecture where the mouse controls the cursor on the screen, a focused window receives events, and the keyboard generates events that may or may not translate to filling text buffers or activating behaviors based upon the subtle state of the concept of "focus." A videogame generally wants none of that: no windows controlled by the OS, no OS-provided cursor because it won't fit the game's visual theming (or makes no sense in that kind of game at all), other behaviors on the mouse, different keyboard behavior, and (if they could get away with it) no multitasking; you need all that CPU for game stuff. So shifting a desktop PC from "not playing a game" mode to "playing a game" mode is, historically, an extremely modal shift involving kicking most of the OS to the curb, rejecting its reality and replacing it with your own. Modern OSes have better abstractions for this, and modern computers can actually tolerate running background tasks alongside high-performance games (we've crossed a threshold where most reasonably-optimized games can't find anything to do with all your CPU because the experience is still long-polled by human perception speed). But the fundamental design tension is forever there.

rjzzleep 3y ago

I'm still waiting for to fix basic container tab behaviour [1]. I can't help but think that their product management is completely broken. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479858 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479858

intothemild 3y ago
There's countless people who have screamed that they want to switch from chrome, but can't because profiles don't work the way we want them too. And it's two seemingly small changes that need to happen too. 1. Make the UI around profiles better 2. When I click a link anywhere outside of the browser, open it in the last active window. Number 2 is the most important honestly
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Many people don't know that Profiles is carried over from Netscape 3.x days (IIRC). Code powering Profiles is probably is much more convoluted than people have realized. Addendum: The earliest reference I can find is around 2000 (https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/wincd/tips_netscape.htm https://math.vanderbilt.edu/schectex/wincd/tips_netscape.htm), which coincides with Netscape 3/4 era.
  - reddalo 3y ago
    And, if I remember correctly, the whole Profile things was initially hidden in Firefox. I remember you couldn't easily switch profile without using the command line.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Yes, it was there, but not really supported. We had to (ab)use the feature for some stuff, but everything was read-only and locked down by enterprise profiles, so it was not a big problem for us. I think profiles are not supported as first class citizens, still. Shall that be improved? Yes. Will that be easy? I don't think so.
  - KennyBlanken 3y ago
    If they have the resources to constantly revamp the Firefox and Thunderbird UIs, they have the resources to rewrite the profile system.
    - 3y ago

ralferoo 3y ago

I remember commenting with a "me too + info" on a bug years and years ago and finally stopped using Firefox for good about a decade ago mostly because this bug had been annoying me multiple times a day for years and Chrome was finally good enough to replace it. It was always such a pain having to re-focus almost every firefox window until it disappeared to figure out where it'd come from because it'd often be something fairly generic like "Previous" that it'd choose to tooltip and push in front of absolutely everything else.