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This is a joke, right? Edit: I am aware about EU DMA that has working on mls and interoperability but nothing about csam and breaking encryption or sharing wi

This is a joke, right? Edit: I am aware about EU DMA that has working on mls and interoperability but nothing about csam and breaking encryption or sharing with third parties.... How will both exist together? Is chat control part of new legislation supposed to undermine DMa?

redder23 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - redder23 3y ago
    Stating a opinion and calling out stupid comments (that later got edited to make them less stupid) is not "flamebait". How about you stop shadow-banning people? If anything the OP of this thread was "unsubstantive" and "flamebait". And if "Most stories about politics ... are probably off-topic" WTF is this bullshit? What is "probably". Who decides what "Political ... or other stories are not for this site and what are? This is so typical tech vague BS. There are political stories that have absolutely nothing to do with tech posted here on a daily basis, nobody respects or understands this stupid guideline. They all just tell themselves "my political story is totally not off-topic for HN" because the guidelines are so vague.
    - brigandish 3y ago
      You've got a point because that comment was edited (I know, not just because of the note the OP has used but because I also replied to it prior to the edit). However, you're not going to get far if you put it like that. My advice, as a former shadowbanned hothead, would be to give dang an email and apologise, and point out calmly that you were responding to a comment that was later edited, and that'll you'll try to be less openly aggressive when posting in future. Dang probably appreciates nice emails like that. Snark is supposedly discouraged on HN but I guess it's hard to police, you might move on to that ;-)
    - dang 3y ago
      You might want to familiarize yourself with how we think about these things—for example the question of how to moderate political stories on HN. There are lots of past explanations on that at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... These two links are ok starting points: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 (April 2020) This site has a 15-year history with these questions. You're absolutely welcome to disagree with how we do things but it would be good to know what the approach actually is before agreeing or disagreeing with it. It's based on some pretty clear principles. If you can figure out a better way to moderate HN with respect to such questions—that is, a way which does a better job of following those principles—I'd love to hear about it.
stavros 3y ago
It doesn't look like a joke.
brigandish 3y ago
What makes you think that?
codetrotter 3y ago
On whose part? EU? Or the protestors? If the latter, why? Because of the emojis?
- Affric 3y ago
  It’s like it’s repeating itself or using too many punctuation marks. Emoji are meant to be the informal and succinct. The emoji don’t make it briefer. With that said the message is very serious. And serious isn’t disjunct to formal. I think highlighting the difference between the people (real warm) and the bureaucracy (operated by people who are taught to turn off their empathy to serve the system) is worthwhile and has been proven effective in populist campaigns of late. All in all it’s interesting political communication.
  - 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
    What's.... The proboe with emojis now?
    - Affric 3y ago
      They are like little doodles in the text. They don't convey any more information than is already in there. Things which are urgent are generally best written with as little adornment as possible. If someone isn't already for the cause it can cause them to not take your writing seriously. Imagine if you're the parent of a child and they send you this message: > "Active shooter at school " The time taken to get the emoji undercut the seriousness of the message. They are apparently trying to communicate something important but deliberately wasting my time.
      - Affric 3y ago
        Originally the quoted message included emojis but obviously HN kills them
imchillyb 3y ago
This legislation is not a joke at all. > https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ > Currently a regulation is in place allowing providers to scan communications voluntarily (so-called “Chat Control 1.0”). So far only some unencrypted US communications services such as GMail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud email and X-Box apply chat control voluntarily (more details here). As a result of the mandatory Chat Control 2.0 proposal, the Commission expects a 3.5-fold increase in scanning reports (by 354%). > https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A2022%3A209%3AFIN&qid=1652451192472 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A20...
Semaphor 3y ago
> Is chat control part of new legislation supposed to undermine DMa? Ursula von der Leyen has a long history of instrumenting children and CSAM to get more control. She did the same in Germany, she’s an utterly despicable person.
- nceqs3 3y ago
  Imagine thinking stopping the horrors of child sexual abuse makes you an evil person. Perhaps you are projecting.
  - Semaphor 3y ago
    edit: Nevermind, saw what kind of comments you post, not engaging with trolls.
  - dang 3y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: it looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines quite badly on a regular basis—for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37733548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37733548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37718945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37718945 (Sept 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37100652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37100652 (Aug 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975625 (Aug 2023) This kind of thing destroys what the site is for, so if it keeps up, we're going to have to ban you. If you'd please stick to the guidelines from now on, that would be good. Among other things, that means no personal attacks, putdowns, or snark.
- barbazoo 3y ago
  My bet is she's ignorant and/or incompetent but not "evil" in the way you imply.

redder23 3y ago

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dang 3y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- redder23 3y ago
  Stating a opinion and calling out stupid comments (that later got edited to make them less stupid) is not "flamebait". How about you stop shadow-banning people? If anything the OP of this thread was "unsubstantive" and "flamebait". And if "Most stories about politics ... are probably off-topic" WTF is this bullshit? What is "probably". Who decides what "Political ... or other stories are not for this site and what are? This is so typical tech vague BS. There are political stories that have absolutely nothing to do with tech posted here on a daily basis, nobody respects or understands this stupid guideline. They all just tell themselves "my political story is totally not off-topic for HN" because the guidelines are so vague.
  - brigandish 3y ago
    You've got a point because that comment was edited (I know, not just because of the note the OP has used but because I also replied to it prior to the edit). However, you're not going to get far if you put it like that. My advice, as a former shadowbanned hothead, would be to give dang an email and apologise, and point out calmly that you were responding to a comment that was later edited, and that'll you'll try to be less openly aggressive when posting in future. Dang probably appreciates nice emails like that. Snark is supposedly discouraged on HN but I guess it's hard to police, you might move on to that ;-)
  - dang 3y ago
    You might want to familiarize yourself with how we think about these things—for example the question of how to moderate political stories on HN. There are lots of past explanations on that at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... These two links are ok starting points: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21607844 (Nov 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22902490 (April 2020) This site has a 15-year history with these questions. You're absolutely welcome to disagree with how we do things but it would be good to know what the approach actually is before agreeing or disagreeing with it. It's based on some pretty clear principles. If you can figure out a better way to moderate HN with respect to such questions—that is, a way which does a better job of following those principles—I'd love to hear about it.

stavros 3y ago

It doesn't look like a joke.

brigandish 3y ago

What makes you think that?

codetrotter 3y ago

On whose part? EU? Or the protestors? If the latter, why? Because of the emojis?

Affric 3y ago
It’s like it’s repeating itself or using too many punctuation marks. Emoji are meant to be the informal and succinct. The emoji don’t make it briefer. With that said the message is very serious. And serious isn’t disjunct to formal. I think highlighting the difference between the people (real warm) and the bureaucracy (operated by people who are taught to turn off their empathy to serve the system) is worthwhile and has been proven effective in populist campaigns of late. All in all it’s interesting political communication.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  What's.... The proboe with emojis now?
  - Affric 3y ago
    They are like little doodles in the text. They don't convey any more information than is already in there. Things which are urgent are generally best written with as little adornment as possible. If someone isn't already for the cause it can cause them to not take your writing seriously. Imagine if you're the parent of a child and they send you this message: > "Active shooter at school " The time taken to get the emoji undercut the seriousness of the message. They are apparently trying to communicate something important but deliberately wasting my time.
    - Affric 3y ago
      Originally the quoted message included emojis but obviously HN kills them

imchillyb 3y ago

This legislation is not a joke at all. > https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ > Currently a regulation is in place allowing providers to scan communications voluntarily (so-called “Chat Control 1.0”). So far only some unencrypted US communications services such as GMail, Facebook/Instagram Messenger, Skype, Snapchat, iCloud email and X-Box apply chat control voluntarily (more details here). As a result of the mandatory Chat Control 2.0 proposal, the Commission expects a 3.5-fold increase in scanning reports (by 354%). > https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A2022%3A209%3AFIN&qid=1652451192472 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3A20...

Semaphor 3y ago

> Is chat control part of new legislation supposed to undermine DMa? Ursula von der Leyen has a long history of instrumenting children and CSAM to get more control. She did the same in Germany, she’s an utterly despicable person.

nceqs3 3y ago
Imagine thinking stopping the horrors of child sexual abuse makes you an evil person. Perhaps you are projecting.
- Semaphor 3y ago
  edit: Nevermind, saw what kind of comments you post, not engaging with trolls.
- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: it looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines quite badly on a regular basis—for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37733548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37733548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37718945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37718945 (Sept 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37100652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37100652 (Aug 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975625 (Aug 2023) This kind of thing destroys what the site is for, so if it keeps up, we're going to have to ban you. If you'd please stick to the guidelines from now on, that would be good. Among other things, that means no personal attacks, putdowns, or snark.
barbazoo 3y ago
My bet is she's ignorant and/or incompetent but not "evil" in the way you imply.