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Good point. Though, still surprising that athletic ability correlates with income. I wonder where is the root cause that evolves into everything else. Hypothe

by dvrp 3y ago

Good point. Though, still surprising that athletic ability correlates with income. I wonder where is the root cause that evolves into everything else. Hypothetical example: conscientiousness + willpower -> athletic ability -> $ ?

cratermoon 3y ago
> conscientiousness + willpower -> athletic ability -> $ ? It's funny that people think this is a meritocracy. Nope, those student athletes get special treatment because they are student athletes. Or else, maybe those student athletes had NO athletic ability, but got athletic scholarships via fraud. https://abcnews.go.com/US/mastermind-varsity-blues-college-cheating-scandal-sentenced/story?id=96080462 https://abcnews.go.com/US/mastermind-varsity-blues-college-c... “Among those prosecuted were ... Ivy League coaches who opened sham spots on their rosters for Singer's clients in exchange for bribes”
- adasdasdas 3y ago
  > Nope, those student athletes get special treatment because they are student athletes. Unless you have backing data, this sounds like sour grapes
  - tilne 3y ago
    It does sound like sour grapes but I also don’t think you need data to believe this.
    - hotnfresh 3y ago
      It’d be surprising if that stopped being true in college, in fact. It’s definitely still true from about 6th grade(!) on, at least in lots of schools. Ask some teachers (who aren’t also coaches) what that dynamic looks like—all the stuff about star athletes getting away with bad behavior, coach-teachers letting them get away with doing almost nothing in their classes, and other teachers being pressured to give them higher grades than they earned is still there, straight out of an 80s movie.
      - cratermoon 3y ago
        The special treatment star athletes get in many US universities with well-funded prominent sports programs, especially American football and basketball, is well-documented. Even not-so-star athletes get the benefit of the doubt. What reasons do we have to believe Ivy League universities are different? They may emphasize different sports – crew or field hockey instead of football – but the results are the same.
naniwaduni 3y ago
Pretty much all "good" things correlate with each other.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago
  > Pretty much all "good" things correlate with each other. Like income and dark triad traits. :-(
markwkw 3y ago
Good health -> athletic ability + mental ability + good outcomes all around
makeitdouble 3y ago
Wealth and athletic success aren't unrelated [0]. A direct quote that apllies to a lot of things really: "A privileged background helps students succeed in sports just as it does in other parts of life" You still need talent, but at least there won't be roadblocks stopping you from expressing your talent (same reasons top musicians, actors etc. also tend to come from at least upper middle class) [0] https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/what-impacts-a-students-odds-of-becoming-a-college-athlete/ https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/what-impact...

by dvrp 3y ago

cratermoon 3y ago

> conscientiousness + willpower -> athletic ability -> $ ? It's funny that people think this is a meritocracy. Nope, those student athletes get special treatment because they are student athletes. Or else, maybe those student athletes had NO athletic ability, but got athletic scholarships via fraud. https://abcnews.go.com/US/mastermind-varsity-blues-college-cheating-scandal-sentenced/story?id=96080462 https://abcnews.go.com/US/mastermind-varsity-blues-college-c... “Among those prosecuted were ... Ivy League coaches who opened sham spots on their rosters for Singer's clients in exchange for bribes”

adasdasdas 3y ago
> Nope, those student athletes get special treatment because they are student athletes. Unless you have backing data, this sounds like sour grapes
- tilne 3y ago
  It does sound like sour grapes but I also don’t think you need data to believe this.
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    It’d be surprising if that stopped being true in college, in fact. It’s definitely still true from about 6th grade(!) on, at least in lots of schools. Ask some teachers (who aren’t also coaches) what that dynamic looks like—all the stuff about star athletes getting away with bad behavior, coach-teachers letting them get away with doing almost nothing in their classes, and other teachers being pressured to give them higher grades than they earned is still there, straight out of an 80s movie.
    - cratermoon 3y ago
      The special treatment star athletes get in many US universities with well-funded prominent sports programs, especially American football and basketball, is well-documented. Even not-so-star athletes get the benefit of the doubt. What reasons do we have to believe Ivy League universities are different? They may emphasize different sports – crew or field hockey instead of football – but the results are the same.

naniwaduni 3y ago

Pretty much all "good" things correlate with each other.

aleph_minus_one 3y ago
> Pretty much all "good" things correlate with each other. Like income and dark triad traits. :-(

markwkw 3y ago

Good health -> athletic ability + mental ability + good outcomes all around

makeitdouble 3y ago

Wealth and athletic success aren't unrelated [0]. A direct quote that apllies to a lot of things really: "A privileged background helps students succeed in sports just as it does in other parts of life" You still need talent, but at least there won't be roadblocks stopping you from expressing your talent (same reasons top musicians, actors etc. also tend to come from at least upper middle class) [0] https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/what-impacts-a-students-odds-of-becoming-a-college-athlete/ https://feed.georgetown.edu/access-affordability/what-impact...