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> The only way to do anything is to sacrifice something. Won't be enough, because the biggest consumers of carbon are billionaires and their corporations.

netsharc 3y ago
God, what a tired argument to deflect responsibility. Not to say I'm holy, I've also given up trying to save the planet and am just going to enjoy my life until the climate kills me either directly or indirectly (lack of resources will lead to conflict, even in the West food and water might not be guaranteed), which I think will be in the next decade. What are the corporations doing anyway? They're selling crap to you and me, which we all addictively buy. iPhone 15, faster, shinier, newer, on sale now! RTX 4000 series, it needs a kilowatt power supply! Get Windows 11, the billions of laptops without TPM will be worthless when Windows 10 is EOLed in 2 years (Install Linux? But it's too hard to understand, I want my fucking convenience!). Wikipedia says there are 2640 billionaires in the world[1], if they all adopted the middle class lifestyle, would that save the planet? Hmm 2640 people flying on private jets vs the billions of planetary middle class with their cars and air-conditioned homes and taste for steak and jet-setting vacations. We're all "environmentally friendly" up to the line where beyond it it inconveniences us. For the billionaires flying commercial is inconvenient; for me, being vegan, using old tech, not allowing myself to ever see Japan again would be inconvenient. I admit that I like my luxuries, I'm not going to use the excuse that the billionaires have to do it first, even if they all turn green I'd still want my comforts, but I will support laws that force us to be greener[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionaires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc
- AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y ago
  I actually agree with you. My beef with billionaires isn't that they fly in jets or invest in companies that make cheap products. My beef with billionaires is that they by-and-large put money behind preventing the necessary climate action. This is essentially a tragedy of the commons, which could easily be overcome if the right people got into power. The right people will never get into power, because it is against the interest of billionaires.

netsharc 3y ago

God, what a tired argument to deflect responsibility. Not to say I'm holy, I've also given up trying to save the planet and am just going to enjoy my life until the climate kills me either directly or indirectly (lack of resources will lead to conflict, even in the West food and water might not be guaranteed), which I think will be in the next decade. What are the corporations doing anyway? They're selling crap to you and me, which we all addictively buy. iPhone 15, faster, shinier, newer, on sale now! RTX 4000 series, it needs a kilowatt power supply! Get Windows 11, the billions of laptops without TPM will be worthless when Windows 10 is EOLed in 2 years (Install Linux? But it's too hard to understand, I want my fucking convenience!). Wikipedia says there are 2640 billionaires in the world[1], if they all adopted the middle class lifestyle, would that save the planet? Hmm 2640 people flying on private jets vs the billions of planetary middle class with their cars and air-conditioned homes and taste for steak and jet-setting vacations. We're all "environmentally friendly" up to the line where beyond it it inconveniences us. For the billionaires flying commercial is inconvenient; for me, being vegan, using old tech, not allowing myself to ever see Japan again would be inconvenient. I admit that I like my luxuries, I'm not going to use the excuse that the billionaires have to do it first, even if they all turn green I'd still want my comforts, but I will support laws that force us to be greener[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_billionaires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc

AA-BA-94-2A-56 3y ago
I actually agree with you. My beef with billionaires isn't that they fly in jets or invest in companies that make cheap products. My beef with billionaires is that they by-and-large put money behind preventing the necessary climate action. This is essentially a tragedy of the commons, which could easily be overcome if the right people got into power. The right people will never get into power, because it is against the interest of billionaires.