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Wow.. I don't make near that much writing iPhone apps - never have - and I've been in this world since before it was legit. Who are these people?!

unalone 18y ago
Either people developing for big companies without experience, or crooks.
- unalone 18y ago
  Damn, I should have put more thought into that before talking. I wish HN had an editing option, now: I feel kinda stupid.
  - kirubakaran 18y ago
    Life goes on :-)
  - ars 18y ago
    Now you get to feel doubly stupid since HN _does_ have an edit option!
    - unalone 18y ago
      Not after you're downvoted to a certain degree. Otherwise I'd have deleted it outright and made a better comment.
      - ars 18y ago
        No, it's not downvotes, it's time - I think you get around 1 hour to edit or delete it.
        unalone 18y ago
        Okay, that would make sense. Either way, I missed my chance.
        asimjalis 18y ago
        You could abandon your old identity, take up a new one, and then publicly mock the comments made by the old one, to distance yourself from them.
      - palish 18y ago
        Keep in mind that your deleted comments are never gone, just hidden from common users. PG and crew can still read them.
ardit33 18y ago
it is really not that much. You should not under-charge. Ask for 30% returns, if somebody comes at you with less than $125-$150/hr rate. Remember, you are doing hard work, and price it accordingly, and what to the market bears. Engineers tend underestimate they value of their work. Try to find a good lawyer for less than $600/hr.
- patio11 18y ago
  30% returns sounds like a "You give me large amounts of labor at below-market prices today and in return I give you equity!" This sounds like a fairly decent arrangement for an engineer straight out of college who wants to make a go of a startup and, uh, stupid for a professional with an in-demand skill in a sellers' market. You think their lawyer is getting paid $20 an hour with the remainder to come as a percentage of revenues assuming Marketing does their jobs right? (That's always the stickler with engineers getting equity: you might think you are contributing the most important piece of the puzzle, but really, your contribution can and will be squandered if everybody else doesn't perform at or above your level. There are many, many startups who had top-flight engineers married with "We'll sell pet food on the Internet and make a fortune!"-esque business models.)
pkaler 18y ago
I charge about that much. I've had to turn away a lot of smaller projects because I'm way overburdened at the moment. It's amazing how coders don't actually know C anymore. It seems like a rare skill these days. I also have a ton of embedded development experience (Sony PSP, PS3, XBox 360) that transfers well. I teach an iPhone Game Design course at the local polytechnic institute that has been good for marketing. And I bounce between 1st and 2nd when you Google "vancouver iphone developer". I bet I could draw in more work if I advertised on CraigsList and LinkedIn.
- flashgordon 18y ago
  wow that is impressive... where do you live?? waht kinds of projects do you normally get?
  - flashgordon 18y ago
    actually the "where do you live" question was more about the iphone-app demand inquiry rather than for stalking purposes :D
    - ars 18y ago
      You got downmodded (I think) because he said where he lives: vancouver.
      - flashgordon 18y ago
        well he actually implicitly said "vancouver iphone developer" which I misread... and secondly my "where do you live" question was BEFORE he had explicitly mentioned it.. but either way ..
- markessien 18y ago
  Where do the bulk of your clients come from? From google?
  - 18y ago

unalone 18y ago

Either people developing for big companies without experience, or crooks.

unalone 18y ago
Damn, I should have put more thought into that before talking. I wish HN had an editing option, now: I feel kinda stupid.
- kirubakaran 18y ago
  Life goes on :-)
- ars 18y ago
  Now you get to feel doubly stupid since HN _does_ have an edit option!
  - unalone 18y ago
    Not after you're downvoted to a certain degree. Otherwise I'd have deleted it outright and made a better comment.
    - ars 18y ago
      No, it's not downvotes, it's time - I think you get around 1 hour to edit or delete it.
      - unalone 18y ago
        Okay, that would make sense. Either way, I missed my chance.
        asimjalis 18y ago
        You could abandon your old identity, take up a new one, and then publicly mock the comments made by the old one, to distance yourself from them.
    - palish 18y ago
      Keep in mind that your deleted comments are never gone, just hidden from common users. PG and crew can still read them.

ardit33 18y ago

it is really not that much. You should not under-charge. Ask for 30% returns, if somebody comes at you with less than $125-$150/hr rate. Remember, you are doing hard work, and price it accordingly, and what to the market bears. Engineers tend underestimate they value of their work. Try to find a good lawyer for less than $600/hr.

patio11 18y ago
30% returns sounds like a "You give me large amounts of labor at below-market prices today and in return I give you equity!" This sounds like a fairly decent arrangement for an engineer straight out of college who wants to make a go of a startup and, uh, stupid for a professional with an in-demand skill in a sellers' market. You think their lawyer is getting paid $20 an hour with the remainder to come as a percentage of revenues assuming Marketing does their jobs right? (That's always the stickler with engineers getting equity: you might think you are contributing the most important piece of the puzzle, but really, your contribution can and will be squandered if everybody else doesn't perform at or above your level. There are many, many startups who had top-flight engineers married with "We'll sell pet food on the Internet and make a fortune!"-esque business models.)

pkaler 18y ago

I charge about that much. I've had to turn away a lot of smaller projects because I'm way overburdened at the moment. It's amazing how coders don't actually know C anymore. It seems like a rare skill these days. I also have a ton of embedded development experience (Sony PSP, PS3, XBox 360) that transfers well. I teach an iPhone Game Design course at the local polytechnic institute that has been good for marketing. And I bounce between 1st and 2nd when you Google "vancouver iphone developer". I bet I could draw in more work if I advertised on CraigsList and LinkedIn.

flashgordon 18y ago
wow that is impressive... where do you live?? waht kinds of projects do you normally get?
- flashgordon 18y ago
  actually the "where do you live" question was more about the iphone-app demand inquiry rather than for stalking purposes :D
  - ars 18y ago
    You got downmodded (I think) because he said where he lives: vancouver.
    - flashgordon 18y ago
      well he actually implicitly said "vancouver iphone developer" which I misread... and secondly my "where do you live" question was BEFORE he had explicitly mentioned it.. but either way ..
markessien 18y ago
Where do the bulk of your clients come from? From google?
- 18y ago