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Couldn’t you just plug a capture card into the display out?
by huytersd 3y ago
Couldn’t you just plug a capture card into the display out?
- holonsphere 3y agoHDCP.
- huytersd 3y agoWow, so the decryption happens in the monitor? Can’t the capture card replicate that?
- notRobot 3y agoNo, decryption keys are tightly held and inaccessible to general populations and small manufacturers and those used by illicit capture cards are regularly revoked iirc.
- metalcrow 3y agoIn regards to that, i assume that manufacturers have to apply for a cert for their device and then embed that cert, correct? Then if the device is found to be stripping HDCP the consortium can revoke that cert, but how? Sure you can do it for PCs and consoles, but are blu-ray players connected to the internet and auto-updated nowadays? Otherwise it'd be pretty easy for Chinese manufactures out of reach of the DMCA to just release one every few years and have it work for all devices prior.
- fxtentacle 3y ago"are blu-ray players connected to the internet and auto-updated nowadays?" Some blu-rays force you to update before you can watch them. Also, the key revocation lists can (I believe) be included in the blu-ray itself to make them work offline, too.
- BXlnt2EachOther 3y agoyes, keys can be revoked [in offline players] by inserting a newer disc with a newer version of the "media key block." wikipedia suggests they're up to version 78 of that data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Key_Block https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Key_Block
- andromeduck 3y agoEasier to just recover via camera at this point.
- fxtentacle 3y agoKinda. You need access to a decryption key. The ones known to be leaked will be revoked, so you need one that cannot be revoked, because the financial fallout would be too painful. That's why WEB-DL rips are typically made using the DRM keys extracted out of very popular consumer TV models.
- huytersd 3y agoSo the WEB-DL rips are saved using homemade capture cards with the decryption module from popular consumer TVs since those can’t be revoked as they would brick those TVs? Alternatively you plug into the output of the decryption module in the monitor before it hits the screen?
- fxtentacle 3y agoRoughly yes. I believe you can also in some instances skip the hardware capture card and instead capture the data stream out of the host's RAM. Inside the monitor, the decryption module and the main SoC controlling the hardware are usually the same physical chip, so grabbing data there will be close to impossible.
- saulpw 3y agoEvery time you say 'just' an engineer who's already spent hours trying out your simple idea pulls out another clump of hair.
- huytersd 3y agoWell I’m clearly coming at this from a naive perspective and I’m sure many people are learning this along with me.
- saulpw 3y agoExcise the word "just" from your engineering vocabulary and you'll be better able to come across as naive instead of condescending or dismissive. I'm not trying to be snarky here, this is a genuine recommendation that will help your ideas be better received, both in the workplace and on internet forums.
- huytersd 3y agoThat’s a good point. The sentence does sound better without “just”. Though in this case I was trying to account for what I thought was a simple solution.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y agoIt's encrypted across the cable itself, the capture card wouldn't be able to understand the signal. the monitor itself is doing the unencrypting. As the other person said, it's specifically to protect the video from ... you.