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Because they do not get their share of the blame, and the notion that they can plausibly squander goodwill in any Western country aside from maybe Ireland is a

Because they do not get their share of the blame, and the notion that they can plausibly squander goodwill in any Western country aside from maybe Ireland is a fantasy. Terrorist organizations like Hamas simply help them along in this regard; their attacks only provide further justification for military action. Very few in the West think critically about whether Israel's actions are proportionate. For example, their blockade of Gaza includes food--is there any other country that can get away with starving children in retaliation for a terrorist attack? > By sharing responsibility as a coalition, it would be harder for Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and others to justify attacking Israel. There is no rationality or sense or good faith to the actions of those actors either. Ultimately, I think they likely believe Israel's existence to be sufficient justification for violence, which is of course simply unreasonable and not a workable basis for the fantasy of diplomatic or peaceful resolution to this conflict.

EGreg 3y ago
Yes, other countries not only starve children after a terrorist attack but bomb them (Syria bombing Yarmouk, or razing entire villages) kidnap them and place in reeducation camps for years (China with Uyghurs) etc. It is all horrific stuff. But even if Israel wants to go scorched earth on Gaza, why not bring friends? Why not have Egypt invade from the rafah crossing side and share the blame? Even from the perspective of not giving Hezbollah and Syria and Iran an excuse, and safeguarding Israeli lives, why not accept help? It’s not like the terrorusts are going anywhere, they’re trapped! I want to know what happened to the proposals that neighboring countries have advanced in 2014 and why Israel always goes it alone. The more I observe politics during wartime the more shocked I am at the apparent sheer stupidity of the politicians. Is Hanlon’s razors appropriate here?
- raincom 3y ago
  Egypt will never invade Gaza, as Egypt doesn't want Gaza strip (both land and people living in that strip). Egypt doesn't want to transform Palestinian problems into Egyptian problems. Egypt will get the blame for Hamas' actions.
  - noduerme 3y ago
    >> After the dissolution of the All-Palestine Government in 1959, under the excuse of pan-Arabism, Egypt continued to occupy the Gaza Strip until 1967. Egypt never annexed the Gaza Strip, but instead treated it as a controlled territory and administered it through a military governor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip Gee, why don't they want it, or its citizens, or to open the border now? The border was open a couple years ago. Oh, wait. Gaza elected Hamas, who backed the Muslim Brotherhood, who sent terrorists to overthrow the Egyptian government. Hey - how come the "Palestinian refugee camps" in Jordan and Lebanon are full of the grandchildren of people who can never and will never be allowed visas or allowed to work in those countries? The "Palestinians" exist only as a bullshit made-up group of Arabic people who the countries all around Israel refuse to accept into their population, and instead preferred to use as a lever for international support. Preferred being the key word here. Now that it is no longer to their benefit, they have no more interest in the Palestinian "cause". But they can't integrate and make citizens the Palestinians or else they would be admitting a large group of terrorists [strike that; Extremely angry and misled people] to their already fractious / fragile societies. The Palestinians are left as a permanently used sub-class in all other Arab countries.
noduerme 3y ago
>> Very few in the West think critically about whether Israel's actions are proportionate Why should responses be "proportionate" when an enemy wants to murder you? The proper response it so decapitate them, not to respond "proportionately". Just FWIW: You are finished. It doesn't matter if the Western media sings your praises now. You know, they still sing the praises of the Lakota Indians. You think they give a shit? The west doesn't care and you'll be forgotten very quickly, steamrolled into the Israel/Saudi detante. This is the end, so leave if you can. Abandon the notion that you will have Israeli houses and land. It's not going to happen. Go to Qatar or Iran and get a job, or else work toward a Palestinian state that does not require the murder of Jews in their homeland.

EGreg 3y ago

Yes, other countries not only starve children after a terrorist attack but bomb them (Syria bombing Yarmouk, or razing entire villages) kidnap them and place in reeducation camps for years (China with Uyghurs) etc. It is all horrific stuff. But even if Israel wants to go scorched earth on Gaza, why not bring friends? Why not have Egypt invade from the rafah crossing side and share the blame? Even from the perspective of not giving Hezbollah and Syria and Iran an excuse, and safeguarding Israeli lives, why not accept help? It’s not like the terrorusts are going anywhere, they’re trapped! I want to know what happened to the proposals that neighboring countries have advanced in 2014 and why Israel always goes it alone. The more I observe politics during wartime the more shocked I am at the apparent sheer stupidity of the politicians. Is Hanlon’s razors appropriate here?

raincom 3y ago
Egypt will never invade Gaza, as Egypt doesn't want Gaza strip (both land and people living in that strip). Egypt doesn't want to transform Palestinian problems into Egyptian problems. Egypt will get the blame for Hamas' actions.
- noduerme 3y ago
  >> After the dissolution of the All-Palestine Government in 1959, under the excuse of pan-Arabism, Egypt continued to occupy the Gaza Strip until 1967. Egypt never annexed the Gaza Strip, but instead treated it as a controlled territory and administered it through a military governor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip Gee, why don't they want it, or its citizens, or to open the border now? The border was open a couple years ago. Oh, wait. Gaza elected Hamas, who backed the Muslim Brotherhood, who sent terrorists to overthrow the Egyptian government. Hey - how come the "Palestinian refugee camps" in Jordan and Lebanon are full of the grandchildren of people who can never and will never be allowed visas or allowed to work in those countries? The "Palestinians" exist only as a bullshit made-up group of Arabic people who the countries all around Israel refuse to accept into their population, and instead preferred to use as a lever for international support. Preferred being the key word here. Now that it is no longer to their benefit, they have no more interest in the Palestinian "cause". But they can't integrate and make citizens the Palestinians or else they would be admitting a large group of terrorists [strike that; Extremely angry and misled people] to their already fractious / fragile societies. The Palestinians are left as a permanently used sub-class in all other Arab countries.

noduerme 3y ago

>> Very few in the West think critically about whether Israel's actions are proportionate Why should responses be "proportionate" when an enemy wants to murder you? The proper response it so decapitate them, not to respond "proportionately". Just FWIW: You are finished. It doesn't matter if the Western media sings your praises now. You know, they still sing the praises of the Lakota Indians. You think they give a shit? The west doesn't care and you'll be forgotten very quickly, steamrolled into the Israel/Saudi detante. This is the end, so leave if you can. Abandon the notion that you will have Israeli houses and land. It's not going to happen. Go to Qatar or Iran and get a job, or else work toward a Palestinian state that does not require the murder of Jews in their homeland.