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In the same way Shell targets[1] the youth and attempts to change/form their views to be favorable to fossil fuels. I still don't understand how TikTok is doin

In the same way Shell targets[1] the youth and attempts to change/form their views to be favorable to fossil fuels. I still don't understand how TikTok is doing anything worse than what any other popular American-based social platform is already doing today. If we're going to legislate TikTok, we should also target Facebook, Fortnite, Twitter, etc. equally. 1: https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-social-media-promote-fossil-fuels.html https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-so...

mschuster91 3y ago
For what it's worth, yes we should, it's time to show Big Capital that yes, they can't run rampant and fuck up our society. But at least we can, in contrast to TikTok whose operations run outside of our reach.
- beachy 3y ago
  You say we can, but history shows we can't. If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Whereas we (democracies) would have a fighting chance (literally) of seeing off a malevolant dictatorship.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Shell for example was held responsible in Dutch courts for environmental contamination in Nigeria [1] and ordered to massively cut CO2 emissions [2]. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-n... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982
tick_tock_tick 3y ago
Stop arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter if Shell is worse it doesn't matter if a million other fucking things in the USA are worse. They are all accountable to the USA government. TikTok is not that is the issue.
- jkubicek 3y ago
  I'm not arguing in bad faith here, every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday, is currently being done today, by American companies, in service of foreign interests and corporate interests.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday We already didn't prepare for Russia invading Ukraine despite obvious signs, we didn't prepare for wide parts of Africa and the Middle East to break down into civil war or climate change-caused mass emigration, we didn't prepare for Iran/Hamas massacring entire kibbutzim in Israel, we didn't prepare for the scenario of a global pandemic (despite multiple scares/near-misses), we didn't prepare for all of the multiple crises currently ongoing in this world that currently impact our population. We have to prepare for the possibility that China is going to be at war with us very, very soon and will do anything they can to disrupt our lives - including spreading propaganda. Or otherwise it will go down just as bad as all the crises I listed.

mschuster91 3y ago

For what it's worth, yes we should, it's time to show Big Capital that yes, they can't run rampant and fuck up our society. But at least we can, in contrast to TikTok whose operations run outside of our reach.

beachy 3y ago
You say we can, but history shows we can't. If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Whereas we (democracies) would have a fighting chance (literally) of seeing off a malevolant dictatorship.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Shell for example was held responsible in Dutch courts for environmental contamination in Nigeria [1] and ordered to massively cut CO2 emissions [2]. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-n... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982

tick_tock_tick 3y ago

Stop arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter if Shell is worse it doesn't matter if a million other fucking things in the USA are worse. They are all accountable to the USA government. TikTok is not that is the issue.

jkubicek 3y ago
I'm not arguing in bad faith here, every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday, is currently being done today, by American companies, in service of foreign interests and corporate interests.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday We already didn't prepare for Russia invading Ukraine despite obvious signs, we didn't prepare for wide parts of Africa and the Middle East to break down into civil war or climate change-caused mass emigration, we didn't prepare for Iran/Hamas massacring entire kibbutzim in Israel, we didn't prepare for the scenario of a global pandemic (despite multiple scares/near-misses), we didn't prepare for all of the multiple crises currently ongoing in this world that currently impact our population. We have to prepare for the possibility that China is going to be at war with us very, very soon and will do anything they can to disrupt our lives - including spreading propaganda. Or otherwise it will go down just as bad as all the crises I listed.