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As an Android user for 10ish years, I don't care about what it's called or what their logo and mascot look like. I just want it to work.

londons_explore 3y ago
So do Google... Unfortunately the 10,000+ people who work on Android and related projects at Google so far haven't managed to make it much more bug-free than it was back in 2012... The camera still crashes if you take too many photos too quickly... The backup service still does a shitty job and doesn't backup some apps... The phone still occasionally randomly gets hot and drains the battery by midday... Sharing a file with another android user over bluetooth/wifi/nearby share still fails more often than not. A VoIP/video call still stutters and glitches when you switch from wifi to cell or vice versa. The fact I can list 5 bugs from memory that have existed for 10 years is a sign that perhaps those 10,000 minds may be misplaced.
- yellow_lead 3y ago
  > VoIP/video call still stutters and glitches when you switch from wifi to cell or vice versa. I'd be curious if you or anyone else has any ideas on preventing that, because I think it's impossible? A voip or video call uses one or more network sockets. If I'm using wifi, that socket goes over my network, which the server communicates with. If I suddenly switch to cellular, there will always need to be a reconnection over the cellular network, because the server was previously communicating over a completely different network route.
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  - londons_explore 3y ago
    The hardware is totally capable of having both network connections up at once. It could have a transition period where the data is sent over both networks for a few seconds until the transfer could be completed seamlessly. Sure, it would require app support, and server support, but if the OS supported it I'm pretty sure app and server support would happen. Alas - sadly it's currently impossible for an app to talk over both wifi and cellular at the same time on android - although it is possible for two different apps to each be talking over different networks at the same time. This functionality is used for the captive portal signin screen so you can be signing in to one network while still connected to another.
- smallerfish 3y ago
  On what hardware and how many photos? This has never happened to me.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    Watch a jogger jogging, and try to take a photo each time their foot hits the ground (so about 1.5 Hz). Within 10 seconds you'll find the camera crashes and/or starts throwing away photos you already took. Try it on battery saver mode or while playing music for even more bugginess. Tested this on: Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6P, Pixel 1, Pixel 5, Pixel 7.
    - denysvitali 3y ago
      Does disabling HDR solve the problem?
- petee 3y ago
  I've always suspected that the constant push for new features has made it too complex to keep up with bugs. Every major release always has bugs left over from the last, plus new ones. Over time I've seen the UI go from pretty stable, to weird redraws, blanking, hanging, etc, which are nearly impossible to screenshot or reproduce, yet persist across versions and hardware; every release is just a bit worse. I don't envy their job
lgleason 3y ago
When you can't make a product that works well, throw a bunch of marketing at it to add some lipstick :)

londons_explore 3y ago

So do Google... Unfortunately the 10,000+ people who work on Android and related projects at Google so far haven't managed to make it much more bug-free than it was back in 2012... The camera still crashes if you take too many photos too quickly... The backup service still does a shitty job and doesn't backup some apps... The phone still occasionally randomly gets hot and drains the battery by midday... Sharing a file with another android user over bluetooth/wifi/nearby share still fails more often than not. A VoIP/video call still stutters and glitches when you switch from wifi to cell or vice versa. The fact I can list 5 bugs from memory that have existed for 10 years is a sign that perhaps those 10,000 minds may be misplaced.

yellow_lead 3y ago
> VoIP/video call still stutters and glitches when you switch from wifi to cell or vice versa. I'd be curious if you or anyone else has any ideas on preventing that, because I think it's impossible? A voip or video call uses one or more network sockets. If I'm using wifi, that socket goes over my network, which the server communicates with. If I suddenly switch to cellular, there will always need to be a reconnection over the cellular network, because the server was previously communicating over a completely different network route.
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- londons_explore 3y ago
  The hardware is totally capable of having both network connections up at once. It could have a transition period where the data is sent over both networks for a few seconds until the transfer could be completed seamlessly. Sure, it would require app support, and server support, but if the OS supported it I'm pretty sure app and server support would happen. Alas - sadly it's currently impossible for an app to talk over both wifi and cellular at the same time on android - although it is possible for two different apps to each be talking over different networks at the same time. This functionality is used for the captive portal signin screen so you can be signing in to one network while still connected to another.
smallerfish 3y ago
On what hardware and how many photos? This has never happened to me.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Watch a jogger jogging, and try to take a photo each time their foot hits the ground (so about 1.5 Hz). Within 10 seconds you'll find the camera crashes and/or starts throwing away photos you already took. Try it on battery saver mode or while playing music for even more bugginess. Tested this on: Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6P, Pixel 1, Pixel 5, Pixel 7.
  - denysvitali 3y ago
    Does disabling HDR solve the problem?
petee 3y ago
I've always suspected that the constant push for new features has made it too complex to keep up with bugs. Every major release always has bugs left over from the last, plus new ones. Over time I've seen the UI go from pretty stable, to weird redraws, blanking, hanging, etc, which are nearly impossible to screenshot or reproduce, yet persist across versions and hardware; every release is just a bit worse. I don't envy their job

lgleason 3y ago

When you can't make a product that works well, throw a bunch of marketing at it to add some lipstick :)