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> Targets them for what? Mind control? Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies.

by beachy 3y ago

Clubber 3y ago
It's a good thing the US has a strong, incorruptible democracy and fair criminal justice system to counterbalance that propaganda! /s
hammock 3y ago
Is that/should that be illegal?
jkubicek 3y ago
In the same way Shell targets[1] the youth and attempts to change/form their views to be favorable to fossil fuels. I still don't understand how TikTok is doing anything worse than what any other popular American-based social platform is already doing today. If we're going to legislate TikTok, we should also target Facebook, Fortnite, Twitter, etc. equally. 1: https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-social-media-promote-fossil-fuels.html https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-so...
- mschuster91 3y ago
  For what it's worth, yes we should, it's time to show Big Capital that yes, they can't run rampant and fuck up our society. But at least we can, in contrast to TikTok whose operations run outside of our reach.
  - beachy 3y ago
    You say we can, but history shows we can't. If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Whereas we (democracies) would have a fighting chance (literally) of seeing off a malevolant dictatorship.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      > If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Shell for example was held responsible in Dutch courts for environmental contamination in Nigeria [1] and ordered to massively cut CO2 emissions [2]. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-n... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982
- tick_tock_tick 3y ago
  Stop arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter if Shell is worse it doesn't matter if a million other fucking things in the USA are worse. They are all accountable to the USA government. TikTok is not that is the issue.
  - jkubicek 3y ago
    I'm not arguing in bad faith here, every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday, is currently being done today, by American companies, in service of foreign interests and corporate interests.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      > every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday We already didn't prepare for Russia invading Ukraine despite obvious signs, we didn't prepare for wide parts of Africa and the Middle East to break down into civil war or climate change-caused mass emigration, we didn't prepare for Iran/Hamas massacring entire kibbutzim in Israel, we didn't prepare for the scenario of a global pandemic (despite multiple scares/near-misses), we didn't prepare for all of the multiple crises currently ongoing in this world that currently impact our population. We have to prepare for the possibility that China is going to be at war with us very, very soon and will do anything they can to disrupt our lives - including spreading propaganda. Or otherwise it will go down just as bad as all the crises I listed.
jasonlotito 3y ago
> Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies. If that's the claim, the reality is they are doing the opposite. You need to provide proof, not speculation.
- digging 3y ago
  > If that's the claim, the reality is they are doing the opposite. You need to provide proof
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > You need to provide proof, not speculation. There won't be proof of war until the war happens, but it makes sense to prepare for war. And there will be war, make no mistake on that - tensions in the entire APAC regions are growing every day. Or to quote an old Latin proverb: si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace, prepare for war.
goodbyesf 3y ago
> Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies. Rather than china, I'm more concerned about foreigners like you interfering in america and american social media. What's your particular interest in this? You aren't even american.

> Targets them for what? Mind control? Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies.

by beachy 3y ago

> Targets them for what? Mind control? Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies.

Clubber 3y ago

It's a good thing the US has a strong, incorruptible democracy and fair criminal justice system to counterbalance that propaganda! /s

hammock 3y ago

Is that/should that be illegal?

jkubicek 3y ago

In the same way Shell targets[1] the youth and attempts to change/form their views to be favorable to fossil fuels. I still don't understand how TikTok is doing anything worse than what any other popular American-based social platform is already doing today. If we're going to legislate TikTok, we should also target Facebook, Fortnite, Twitter, etc. equally. 1: https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-social-media-promote-fossil-fuels.html https://www.techspot.com/news/100426-shell-using-fortnite-so...

mschuster91 3y ago
For what it's worth, yes we should, it's time to show Big Capital that yes, they can't run rampant and fuck up our society. But at least we can, in contrast to TikTok whose operations run outside of our reach.
- beachy 3y ago
  You say we can, but history shows we can't. If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Whereas we (democracies) would have a fighting chance (literally) of seeing off a malevolant dictatorship.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > If there was an easy way to reign in big oil then we would have found it by now. Shell for example was held responsible in Dutch courts for environmental contamination in Nigeria [1] and ordered to massively cut CO2 emissions [2]. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-n... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57257982
tick_tock_tick 3y ago
Stop arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter if Shell is worse it doesn't matter if a million other fucking things in the USA are worse. They are all accountable to the USA government. TikTok is not that is the issue.
- jkubicek 3y ago
  I'm not arguing in bad faith here, every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday, is currently being done today, by American companies, in service of foreign interests and corporate interests.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > every nefarious action that people in these comments suspect TikTok may do someday We already didn't prepare for Russia invading Ukraine despite obvious signs, we didn't prepare for wide parts of Africa and the Middle East to break down into civil war or climate change-caused mass emigration, we didn't prepare for Iran/Hamas massacring entire kibbutzim in Israel, we didn't prepare for the scenario of a global pandemic (despite multiple scares/near-misses), we didn't prepare for all of the multiple crises currently ongoing in this world that currently impact our population. We have to prepare for the possibility that China is going to be at war with us very, very soon and will do anything they can to disrupt our lives - including spreading propaganda. Or otherwise it will go down just as bad as all the crises I listed.

jasonlotito 3y ago

> Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies. If that's the claim, the reality is they are doing the opposite. You need to provide proof, not speculation.

digging 3y ago
> If that's the claim, the reality is they are doing the opposite. You need to provide proof
mschuster91 3y ago
> You need to provide proof, not speculation. There won't be proof of war until the war happens, but it makes sense to prepare for war. And there will be war, make no mistake on that - tensions in the entire APAC regions are growing every day. Or to quote an old Latin proverb: si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace, prepare for war.

goodbyesf 3y ago

> Attempts to change/form their views to be favourable towards dictatorships and antagonistic to democracies. Rather than china, I'm more concerned about foreigners like you interfering in america and american social media. What's your particular interest in this? You aren't even american.