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There needs to be a livable part of the planet which isn't a country and never can be but individuals and expelled people can go there. No military or aid inter

• MattGaiser 3y ago
  No laws but also plenty of rules, but no government to enforce those rules?
  • _8j50 3y ago
    The governments that establish the land (world countries' govs) will be enforcers monitoring from outside in to enforce the rules (not laws because violation is summary execution).
• axutio 3y ago
  > No military or aid interference of any kind, no taxes or laws but also no import/export commerce, communication or organizing of any government or militia/military will be allowed Who is going to enforce this?
  • TulliusCicero 3y ago
    Ding ding ding. The fundamental problem of non-state societies: who's gonna stop a state from taking over, either from within or without?
    • _8j50 3y ago
      Everyone else by mutual agreement since this dumping ground benefits every country.
      • TulliusCicero 3y ago
        Everyone else is going to spontaneously force rules onto others? And how exactly do you see that working when the party breaking some rule resists? It's exactly this kind of magical thinking that has resulted in essentially no state-equivalent anarchist societies actually managing to function and exist in modern times, the few that pop up get slammed down by states, because they really suck at resisting. The closest you seem to get are situations like the Zapatistas that are libsoc, not anarchist, since they still have a state.
        • _8j50 3y ago
          > And how exactly do you see that working when the party breaking some rule resists? They get killed/droned. Have you seen Escape from NY/LA? This would be like the modern australia except people can volunteer to go there and we have the tech and resources to enforce a perimeter and monitor the goings in the place. Anarchism really isn't the goal. It is to have the equivalent of the old west where while it is brutal and you don't enjoy rights and benefits of civilization, you also get to live a life, however short, that is truly yours. Anyone cal flee global persecution and go there. Snowden could have for example. The place itself is considered the equivalent of dying to society once you enter it and you can never come out of it. Whether technology, disease, ideology or something else, this would be the redundancy, a controlled environment that is immune to the changes of the outside global world. A place for those who have no place anywhere else. A place criminals can volunteer to go to for certain crimes (especially victimless ones) instead of spend their lives in a cage. Where deserters from war and those who abandon their lives can go to, at the risk of their safety and with no guarantees of wellbeing other than that which they could fight for. It would be more mad max than somalia.
  • _8j50 3y ago
    Multi-national/Global treaty, they become military target practice if they arm themselves or try to import/export by whoever is available or wants to train their soldiers.
• TulliusCicero 3y ago
  That would just result in warlords. Power abhors a vacuum. Hope you really like child abuse if you think this is a great idea.
  • _8j50 3y ago
    What happens there will be outside the purview of outside socities, it would become a land where safety and security is guaranteed by strength alone. Like you said? There will be warlords but they can't import arms but there will also be masses with rocks and sticks, nature abhors power so whatever power you align yourself with keeps you as safe as they can and punishes abhorrent actions and violate rights of those who are weaker. For some it will be utopia, for many it will be a nightmarish punishment where you are exiled to because of crimes you committed. Sort of like escape from LA/NY.
    • TulliusCicero 3y ago
      > There will be warlords but they can't import arms Sure they can. Who's gonna stop them? But yes, it'll be a utopia for the warlords and their upper level cronies. A nightmare for common folk, including anyone born there.
      • _8j50 3y ago
        The governments who create the place and benefit from it will monitor what goes in/out strictly and set up an air/land/see no man's land perimeter.
        • TulliusCicero 3y ago
          Counterpoint: no they won't.
          • _8j50 3y ago
            Countercounterpoint: this is cheaper and potentially more humane than prison and giving your military stuff to do at times of peace is a problem that is helped by this.
• tivert 3y ago
  I've dreamed of creating such a place of libertarians to live. I'd call it Galt's Gulch and everything will be controlled by a single for-profit corporation unrestrained by any government oversight. If you don't work, you'll starve, as you should. If any of the residents don't like it, they can live (or more accurately, starve) in a small, barren yard surrounded by a wall whose inside surface will be covered with "no trespassing" signs. It's all be fine, because everyone has a choice to voluntarily consent (or not and starve).
• badcppdev 3y ago
  And a child is born in this region... tell me about their rights.
  • _8j50 3y ago
    No one has any rights but parents can release them for repatriation to their original country or the kids could just leave when they are old enough.
    • badcppdev 3y ago
      The child doesn't have an original country. There is no record of them being born or who their parents are because there is no government. There is no communication with the outside so records can't be held externally. To be clear I think you're describing a horrific dystopia that should be opposed by any ethical human being.
• gpderetta 3y ago
  With no government, laws, taxes, milizia, etc, who is going to enforce the rules against the their establishment? In practical term, how do you prevent the local warlord from taking over and enslaving the local population?
  • _8j50 3y ago
    You don't, so long as the warlord is not forming an organized military/militia, just gangs with guns.