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Does it ever make sense to do graduate school just to get by? If you’re desperate for work, does the stipend ever cover the cost of living, at least enough to s

by ipnon 3y ago

Does it ever make sense to do graduate school just to get by? If you’re desperate for work, does the stipend ever cover the cost of living, at least enough to spend all your time in the library?

bee_rider 3y ago
Maybe try to teach at a community college or something like that instead? Or bag groceries.
soupfordummies 3y ago
I don't see how it even covers people's rent. My partner's worked out to less than minimum wage.
currymj 3y ago
rarely sufficiently covers the cost of living, though yes in some cases (e.g. if you get the top end of the stipend range from a rich university that also happens to be in a low-cost-of-living area). terrible idea for someone who just wants to work (if you can get into a good grad school you can find some job that pays better and has better working conditions); conceivably not a terrible idea for someone with specific career goals who is trying to ride out some specific industry downturn.
n4r9 3y ago
Back in 2010, studying for a PhD in the UK meant I got an EPSRC stipend of £13500 per year. I was fortunate to find rooms to rent in houses with other grad students for around £350-400 per month. I didn't go out much, cooked my own food, commuted by bike, and made use of free or low cost uni services like gym and therapy. On some weekends I drove ~100 miles to visit my girlfriend, but I was a pretty lousy partner at the time and didn't do that as much as I wish I had. Also petrol was a fair bit cheaper back then. The only time I remember coming close to worrying was when my stipend cheque got put in the wrong place and I didn't get it for a few weeks.
iwonthecase 3y ago
As always, "it depends" but it's very possible if you go with the understanding that you're going to live like a poor college student for the next half decade and don't want or need your expenses to go up like your peers that go into industry. You also have to take into account that you're going to be working more hours than a traditional job and that you're going to be stuck there for half a decade, but also you get something out of it at the end which you won't get just working some other low pay job.
semi-extrinsic 3y ago
Just come to Norway. As a PhD student you're actually a full time "federal" employee with pension benefits, you're entitled to sick leave, parental leave, etc. You have 5 weeks of paid holidays per year. Your starting salary is $49k per year, which is decent - about the same level as a nurse or a teacher. To be clear: if you're a woman who move here with your partner for a PhD, and you get pregnant during your PhD, you will be entitled to 9 months of fully paid maternity leave, plus your planned dissertation date will get postponed by 9 months, no questions asked. You can even do this twice if you're "efficient". Kindergarten is quite cheap at around $320 per month. As a man, I had one kid before starting my PhD and the second about halfway through, then I got 10 days leave just after the birth, and 3 months leave from our daughter was 9 to 12 months. There are several bona fide unions you can join as a PhD student, you have a relatively well functioning HR system that will help quite a bit against toxic PIs. You will have annual "evaluation talks" with a professor other than your supervisor, where you can voice any concerns you might have. The PhD programme duration is 3 years, maybe some people do an additional few months, but I've never heard of someone doing more than 4. It's still hard work though, there is supposed to be blood, sweat and tears. But it should be because sciencce is hard, not because you are living in poverty or because you have to postpone starting a family until you are in your fourties. For some reason we get a lot of candidates applying from Europe and Asia, but almost nobody from North America, and I don't see why.
- ipnon 3y ago
  Thanks for this response. It sounds like such a good deal I am checking out the Norwegian universities now.
Beldin 3y ago
Starting salary for Dutch PhD students is roughly median national income. So: yes, easily. Basically, it's a job at MSc. level and you're paid (somewhat) close to market rate for that.
BeetleB 3y ago
I'm seeing a lot of answers in the negative, so I'll give my experience: Find a relatively low cost of living area. The good news is that there are several top universities in such places (e.g. Midwest). Find out the pay you'll get. Find out the fees you'll pay. Now you know how much you'll make. Check rents in the area, and then decide. For me, (2003-2010), as a single person, the pay was more than sufficient to get by. I could afford a single bedroom apartment, got a good used car, and drove across the country (staying at motels, not camping) twice. I bought a DSLR, and had a very nice PC that lasted me all those years. Would eat out from time to time. It wasn't much, but it was all I needed, and a bit more. The main difference between then and now is that cars have gotten a lot more expensive. Rents may have gone up, but perhaps not as much (i.e. pay may have gone up enough to compensate).
B0DYSPLAY 3y ago
>Does it ever make sense to do graduate school just to get by? most people who do them are coerced -- i made about as much as my pizza delivery driver. i attempted it because it seemed a way to become financially independent. instead, when i tried to leave with a masters i was forced to eventually return to my homeland and be subjected to the same things that drove me from it.

by ipnon 3y ago

Does it ever make sense to do graduate school just to get by? If you’re desperate for work, does the stipend ever cover the cost of living, at least enough to spend all your time in the library?

bee_rider 3y ago

Maybe try to teach at a community college or something like that instead? Or bag groceries.

soupfordummies 3y ago

I don't see how it even covers people's rent. My partner's worked out to less than minimum wage.

currymj 3y ago

rarely sufficiently covers the cost of living, though yes in some cases (e.g. if you get the top end of the stipend range from a rich university that also happens to be in a low-cost-of-living area). terrible idea for someone who just wants to work (if you can get into a good grad school you can find some job that pays better and has better working conditions); conceivably not a terrible idea for someone with specific career goals who is trying to ride out some specific industry downturn.

n4r9 3y ago

Back in 2010, studying for a PhD in the UK meant I got an EPSRC stipend of £13500 per year. I was fortunate to find rooms to rent in houses with other grad students for around £350-400 per month. I didn't go out much, cooked my own food, commuted by bike, and made use of free or low cost uni services like gym and therapy. On some weekends I drove ~100 miles to visit my girlfriend, but I was a pretty lousy partner at the time and didn't do that as much as I wish I had. Also petrol was a fair bit cheaper back then. The only time I remember coming close to worrying was when my stipend cheque got put in the wrong place and I didn't get it for a few weeks.

iwonthecase 3y ago

As always, "it depends" but it's very possible if you go with the understanding that you're going to live like a poor college student for the next half decade and don't want or need your expenses to go up like your peers that go into industry. You also have to take into account that you're going to be working more hours than a traditional job and that you're going to be stuck there for half a decade, but also you get something out of it at the end which you won't get just working some other low pay job.

semi-extrinsic 3y ago

Just come to Norway. As a PhD student you're actually a full time "federal" employee with pension benefits, you're entitled to sick leave, parental leave, etc. You have 5 weeks of paid holidays per year. Your starting salary is $49k per year, which is decent - about the same level as a nurse or a teacher. To be clear: if you're a woman who move here with your partner for a PhD, and you get pregnant during your PhD, you will be entitled to 9 months of fully paid maternity leave, plus your planned dissertation date will get postponed by 9 months, no questions asked. You can even do this twice if you're "efficient". Kindergarten is quite cheap at around $320 per month. As a man, I had one kid before starting my PhD and the second about halfway through, then I got 10 days leave just after the birth, and 3 months leave from our daughter was 9 to 12 months. There are several bona fide unions you can join as a PhD student, you have a relatively well functioning HR system that will help quite a bit against toxic PIs. You will have annual "evaluation talks" with a professor other than your supervisor, where you can voice any concerns you might have. The PhD programme duration is 3 years, maybe some people do an additional few months, but I've never heard of someone doing more than 4. It's still hard work though, there is supposed to be blood, sweat and tears. But it should be because sciencce is hard, not because you are living in poverty or because you have to postpone starting a family until you are in your fourties. For some reason we get a lot of candidates applying from Europe and Asia, but almost nobody from North America, and I don't see why.

ipnon 3y ago
Thanks for this response. It sounds like such a good deal I am checking out the Norwegian universities now.

Beldin 3y ago

Starting salary for Dutch PhD students is roughly median national income. So: yes, easily. Basically, it's a job at MSc. level and you're paid (somewhat) close to market rate for that.

BeetleB 3y ago

I'm seeing a lot of answers in the negative, so I'll give my experience: Find a relatively low cost of living area. The good news is that there are several top universities in such places (e.g. Midwest). Find out the pay you'll get. Find out the fees you'll pay. Now you know how much you'll make. Check rents in the area, and then decide. For me, (2003-2010), as a single person, the pay was more than sufficient to get by. I could afford a single bedroom apartment, got a good used car, and drove across the country (staying at motels, not camping) twice. I bought a DSLR, and had a very nice PC that lasted me all those years. Would eat out from time to time. It wasn't much, but it was all I needed, and a bit more. The main difference between then and now is that cars have gotten a lot more expensive. Rents may have gone up, but perhaps not as much (i.e. pay may have gone up enough to compensate).

B0DYSPLAY 3y ago

>Does it ever make sense to do graduate school just to get by? most people who do them are coerced -- i made about as much as my pizza delivery driver. i attempted it because it seemed a way to become financially independent. instead, when i tried to leave with a masters i was forced to eventually return to my homeland and be subjected to the same things that drove me from it.