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Not just this. Gpt-V could violate social conventions massively. Imagine giving teenagers AI which would judge them and each other. "How old does this person

Not just this. Gpt-V could violate social conventions massively. Imagine giving teenagers AI which would judge them and each other. "How old does this person look?" How about this couple, how do they match? How is this person's style? What mistakes are they making? How healthy does this person look? Do you think this person drinks a lot? It's not just high level politics. There are huge local social conflicts going on all the time between colleagues, lovers and potential ones, neighbors, friends, towns. AI can work as a social weapon in those battles too. We leak a huge amount of info all the time, and AI Vision will try to pick up on it, rightly or wrongly. And talking about what one notices is very socially uncomfortable.

mattlondon 3y ago
When does it just become "opinion" though? I can ask humans the same question, but I don't assume any of it is "truth". People can be nice or be dicks about stuff, and people readily make judgements just on appearance. I see no reason to treat AI differently in that regard.
- epivosism 3y ago
  AI is available to all and very consistent. If there were a universally known and evaluatable real-person judge which all teenagers could consult, I think that would be an issue too. Maybe one reason it's so significant for humanity is that real-world judges are never really trustable. i.e. in elementary school, everyone looks up to different people, maybe a coach, and older brother in middle school, etc but there is diversity, and you can challenge opinions about who is cool, stylish, a loser, nice, etc. There really isn't much of a unifying, judging force between groups even in the same school, let alone city to city. With youtubers etc we got a new mechanism for delivering (generic) opinions to masses of people and unify their views that way. i.e. pewds can demonstrate an attitude and way to be to every kid in the country. or a fashion tiktoker can spread very niche styles etc. But there was no input. But now imagine if a makeup-teacher tiktoker also had a custom GPT-V bot with a real voice, which could judge your images or live video, give you points, praise or condemn you, rank you among your friends, etc. and you couldn't hide it or run away. That seems pretty big, actually. Imagine watching some goth channel in the 1990s but... you could literally talk to someone elite and famous who made the music and art... and hang out with them, absorb their views, be judged, network, pay, etc. That would be pretty powerful.
  - mattlondon 3y ago
    I dont see how AI algorithms making judgements on appearance is any different from people doing it. My point is that it is no more fact when an AI says it vs a human. If you are offended if a random AI says you are ugly, then you'd likely be just as offended if a random human said the same thing.

mattlondon 3y ago

When does it just become "opinion" though? I can ask humans the same question, but I don't assume any of it is "truth". People can be nice or be dicks about stuff, and people readily make judgements just on appearance. I see no reason to treat AI differently in that regard.

epivosism 3y ago
AI is available to all and very consistent. If there were a universally known and evaluatable real-person judge which all teenagers could consult, I think that would be an issue too. Maybe one reason it's so significant for humanity is that real-world judges are never really trustable. i.e. in elementary school, everyone looks up to different people, maybe a coach, and older brother in middle school, etc but there is diversity, and you can challenge opinions about who is cool, stylish, a loser, nice, etc. There really isn't much of a unifying, judging force between groups even in the same school, let alone city to city. With youtubers etc we got a new mechanism for delivering (generic) opinions to masses of people and unify their views that way. i.e. pewds can demonstrate an attitude and way to be to every kid in the country. or a fashion tiktoker can spread very niche styles etc. But there was no input. But now imagine if a makeup-teacher tiktoker also had a custom GPT-V bot with a real voice, which could judge your images or live video, give you points, praise or condemn you, rank you among your friends, etc. and you couldn't hide it or run away. That seems pretty big, actually. Imagine watching some goth channel in the 1990s but... you could literally talk to someone elite and famous who made the music and art... and hang out with them, absorb their views, be judged, network, pay, etc. That would be pretty powerful.
- mattlondon 3y ago
  I dont see how AI algorithms making judgements on appearance is any different from people doing it. My point is that it is no more fact when an AI says it vs a human. If you are offended if a random AI says you are ugly, then you'd likely be just as offended if a random human said the same thing.