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Why would you put an AI on another planet? It's easier to transfer images and other data back here for everyone and everything to perceive. > construct bodies

by tgv 3y ago

Why would you put an AI on another planet? It's easier to transfer images and other data back here for everyone and everything to perceive. > construct bodies onsite at minimal cost That requires a bit more than a receiver. You'd have to build a robot factory, which requires energy production which requires mining which requires heavy machinery, which etc.

idiotsecant 3y ago
Our local system has a definite cap on processing power. Eventually it would be necessary to find more power to do more thinking.
btilly 3y ago
Reaction time and autonomy. Driving on Mars is incredibly slow in part because the signal has to get to and from us for every decision. And if communication is blocked for any reasons, the vehicle is stuck. AI on Mars fixes both problems.
- lloeki 3y ago
  > the signal has to get to and from us for every decision. And if communication is blocked for any reasons, the vehicle is stuck Curiosity and Perseverance have a limited form of autonomy to work around that, as both can AutoNav: the former alternating standstill thinking and movement, the latter "thinking while driving". https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8980/nasas-self-driving-perseverance-mars-rover-takes-the-wheel/ https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8980/nasas-self-driving-persevera...
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    That by itself isn't all that clever, since any half versed roboticist can do the same with some trial and error. What's seriously impressive about it is that it works in real time on an absolute brick of a 233 MHz PowerPC from the 90s. Like, an ESP32 probably outperforms it.
- ptha 3y ago
  Apparently the Perseverance Mars Rover has some self-driving capability: With the help of special 3D glasses, rover drivers on Earth plan routes with specific stops, but increasingly allow the rover to "take the wheel" and choose how it gets to those stops. Perseverance's auto-navigation system, known as AutoNav, makes 3D maps of the terrain ahead, identifies hazards, and plans a route around any obstacles without additional direction from controllers back on Earth. [1] The mission has used AI not just for driving the rover, but also landing and targeting instruments. [2] [1] https://phys.org/news/2022-04-nasa-self-driving-perseverance-mars-rover.html https://phys.org/news/2022-04-nasa-self-driving-perseverance... [2] https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/02/19/perseverance-rover-lands-on-mars-heres-how-it-will-use-ai/ https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/02/19/perseverance-rover-...
  - salawat 3y ago
    >Perseverance's auto-navigation system, known as AutoNav, makes 3D maps of the terrain ahead, identifies hazards, and plans a route around any obstacles without additional direction from controllers back on Earth. ...in spite of this autonomy, Perseverence has a few major problems. It is famous for the severity of it's road rage and intolerance for human drivers, bicyclists, parked emergency vehicles, and pedestrians. Tests show a disturbing tendency toward "eliminating the human element" from it's driving environment to simplify route planning. The lengths the system will go to to achieve this were a major frustrator in early development, and initially attracting the interest of [REDACTION] for [REDACTION] due to [REDACTION] with an effective [THE REDACTION MACHINE IS BROKEN, FURTHER INQUIRIES SHOULD BE ROUTED THROUGH TOM]. Mission planners at NASA found the risk involved with deployment to the Red Planet agreeable, but note that any ongoing colonization efforts will involve having to put the system down for the safety of any eventual colonists.
    - ptha 3y ago
      That's a slightly extreme route planning optimisation, but reminded me of UPS removing left turns (in Right Hand Side driving countries like US) from their route planning to save fuel, lives, C02 emissions [1] [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/ups-trucks-no-left-turns/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/ups-trucks-no-left-...

by tgv 3y ago

idiotsecant 3y ago

Our local system has a definite cap on processing power. Eventually it would be necessary to find more power to do more thinking.

btilly 3y ago

Reaction time and autonomy. Driving on Mars is incredibly slow in part because the signal has to get to and from us for every decision. And if communication is blocked for any reasons, the vehicle is stuck. AI on Mars fixes both problems.

lloeki 3y ago
> the signal has to get to and from us for every decision. And if communication is blocked for any reasons, the vehicle is stuck Curiosity and Perseverance have a limited form of autonomy to work around that, as both can AutoNav: the former alternating standstill thinking and movement, the latter "thinking while driving". https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8980/nasas-self-driving-perseverance-mars-rover-takes-the-wheel/ https://mars.nasa.gov/news/8980/nasas-self-driving-persevera...
- moffkalast 3y ago
  That by itself isn't all that clever, since any half versed roboticist can do the same with some trial and error. What's seriously impressive about it is that it works in real time on an absolute brick of a 233 MHz PowerPC from the 90s. Like, an ESP32 probably outperforms it.
ptha 3y ago
Apparently the Perseverance Mars Rover has some self-driving capability: With the help of special 3D glasses, rover drivers on Earth plan routes with specific stops, but increasingly allow the rover to "take the wheel" and choose how it gets to those stops. Perseverance's auto-navigation system, known as AutoNav, makes 3D maps of the terrain ahead, identifies hazards, and plans a route around any obstacles without additional direction from controllers back on Earth. [1] The mission has used AI not just for driving the rover, but also landing and targeting instruments. [2] [1] https://phys.org/news/2022-04-nasa-self-driving-perseverance-mars-rover.html https://phys.org/news/2022-04-nasa-self-driving-perseverance... [2] https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/02/19/perseverance-rover-lands-on-mars-heres-how-it-will-use-ai/ https://www.enterpriseai.news/2021/02/19/perseverance-rover-...
- salawat 3y ago
  >Perseverance's auto-navigation system, known as AutoNav, makes 3D maps of the terrain ahead, identifies hazards, and plans a route around any obstacles without additional direction from controllers back on Earth. ...in spite of this autonomy, Perseverence has a few major problems. It is famous for the severity of it's road rage and intolerance for human drivers, bicyclists, parked emergency vehicles, and pedestrians. Tests show a disturbing tendency toward "eliminating the human element" from it's driving environment to simplify route planning. The lengths the system will go to to achieve this were a major frustrator in early development, and initially attracting the interest of [REDACTION] for [REDACTION] due to [REDACTION] with an effective [THE REDACTION MACHINE IS BROKEN, FURTHER INQUIRIES SHOULD BE ROUTED THROUGH TOM]. Mission planners at NASA found the risk involved with deployment to the Red Planet agreeable, but note that any ongoing colonization efforts will involve having to put the system down for the safety of any eventual colonists.
  - ptha 3y ago
    That's a slightly extreme route planning optimisation, but reminded me of UPS removing left turns (in Right Hand Side driving countries like US) from their route planning to save fuel, lives, C02 emissions [1] [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/ups-trucks-no-left-turns/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/world/ups-trucks-no-left-...