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Everything that I read suggested that Adams had a broad constituency of Black and Hispanic votes.[1,2,3] This was also a point that you made repeatedly, while n

Everything that I read suggested that Adams had a broad constituency of Black and Hispanic votes.[1,2,3] This was also a point that you made repeatedly, while noting that politics was more significant than racial voting lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921 > I think this illustrates my point, though. In the primary, Black and Latino New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported Adams, while Asians supported Yang. But the Black, Latino, and Asian progressive activists mostly opposed both and sided with the candidates preferred by white progressives. [1] https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/10656-latino-vote-21-eric-adams-boost-democratic-primary-mayor https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/10656-latino-vote-... [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-eric-adams-won-the-new-york-city-mayoral-primary/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-eric-adams-won-the-... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/10/new-york-mayor-primary-adams-pragmatic/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/10/new-york-m...

rayiner 3y ago
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- piracythrowaway 3y ago
  > voting in New York seems to be more third-world style ethnic warfare > People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia) This seems to imply something quite other than a broad cross-racial constituency. It also seems to fit oddly with the fact that progressives of all races voted against Adams. And why mention Garcia if there "wasn't a major Latino candidate"? Look, I'm clearly not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt here. You make incendiary trolling claims, and when asked to explain yourself, backpedal into vacuous, but reasonable-sounding, contradictions. And you get leeway because you played the role of a Burkean foil for other popular commenters here. But at this point, it just seems like you're showing contempt for the site, and for its users.
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    The secularism as class marker bit really ground my gears.
    - rayiner 3y ago
      In both america and Bangladesh, moreso in the latter, secularism is a structured form of elite oppression against the masses. In America it reflects the American elites’ belief in the moral superiority of the French, while in Bangladesh it reflects the Bangladeshi elites’ belief in the moral superiority of Europeans.
      - selimthegrim 3y ago
        My family is Ahmedi, (not a community historically disposed to the moral superiority of Europeans or Christians and not an upper class family either) so secularism was and is a way of making sure the masses don’t turn us into mincemeat (in Bangladesh too) What I’m trying to drive at is that this ignores indigenous leftist as well as minority (historically Ahmedis were never leftist with exception of 1970) movements.
        rayiner 3y ago
        It does, insofar as religious minorities have very little influence on Bangladeshi political dynamics. The overriding force for secularism in the country is the notion that Islam is for poor and backward people. Similarly in the US, religion is what actually poorer racial minorities have in common with the dominant group. Secularism actually arose in the US in response to poor Catholic immigrants.
        selimthegrim 3y ago
        How can this be true with Washington’s letter to the Jews, Jefferson’s Bible and letter to the Danbury Baptists, the Ohio constitution, etc https://fedsoc.org/federalist-society-review-new/the-ohio-constitution-of-1803-jefferson-s-danbury-letter-and-religion-in-education https://fedsoc.org/federalist-society-review-new/the-ohio-co...

rayiner 3y ago

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piracythrowaway 3y ago
> voting in New York seems to be more third-world style ethnic warfare > People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia) This seems to imply something quite other than a broad cross-racial constituency. It also seems to fit oddly with the fact that progressives of all races voted against Adams. And why mention Garcia if there "wasn't a major Latino candidate"? Look, I'm clearly not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt here. You make incendiary trolling claims, and when asked to explain yourself, backpedal into vacuous, but reasonable-sounding, contradictions. And you get leeway because you played the role of a Burkean foil for other popular commenters here. But at this point, it just seems like you're showing contempt for the site, and for its users.
- selimthegrim 3y ago
  The secularism as class marker bit really ground my gears.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    In both america and Bangladesh, moreso in the latter, secularism is a structured form of elite oppression against the masses. In America it reflects the American elites’ belief in the moral superiority of the French, while in Bangladesh it reflects the Bangladeshi elites’ belief in the moral superiority of Europeans.
    - selimthegrim 3y ago
      My family is Ahmedi, (not a community historically disposed to the moral superiority of Europeans or Christians and not an upper class family either) so secularism was and is a way of making sure the masses don’t turn us into mincemeat (in Bangladesh too) What I’m trying to drive at is that this ignores indigenous leftist as well as minority (historically Ahmedis were never leftist with exception of 1970) movements.
      - rayiner 3y ago
        It does, insofar as religious minorities have very little influence on Bangladeshi political dynamics. The overriding force for secularism in the country is the notion that Islam is for poor and backward people. Similarly in the US, religion is what actually poorer racial minorities have in common with the dominant group. Secularism actually arose in the US in response to poor Catholic immigrants.
        selimthegrim 3y ago
        How can this be true with Washington’s letter to the Jews, Jefferson’s Bible and letter to the Danbury Baptists, the Ohio constitution, etc https://fedsoc.org/federalist-society-review-new/the-ohio-constitution-of-1803-jefferson-s-danbury-letter-and-religion-in-education https://fedsoc.org/federalist-society-review-new/the-ohio-co...