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> https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginni https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginni... Ah yes, why wouldn't I believe a

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginni https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginni... Ah yes, why wouldn't I believe a pro Russian source about whats happening in Ukraine. That would totally be an unbiased source based in reality and not trying to push a narrative in anyway shape or form.

keepamovin 3y ago
I guess everybody is trying to push a narrative, and in general, where if we're being honest, gauging true intent and accuracy is hard, it seems a good strategy to consume a wide cross-section of resources if you hope to build up an accurate picture. I also personally find the "reading between the lines" approach useful. Propaganda pieces often contain interesting stances, useful facts omitted in publications with different stances, and in general are just an interesting window into the thinking of people from a different background. Over-specializing in any one silo of information makes you vulnerable to manipulation. Spreading your portfolio among many sources lessens your exposure and risk. There's also something to be said for reading a wide variety of sources, including propaganda, to develop your critical muscles, and improve your resilience to manipulation. The more exposure you have to it, the more you can see how it operates, and ultimately free yourself from it. A sort of "conscious consumption" if you will, haha :).
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > I guess everybody is trying to push a narrative, and in general, where if we're being honest, gauging true intent and accuracy is hard, it seems a good strategy to consume a wide cross-section of resources if you hope to build up an accurate picture. Yeah but theres a big difference between the obvious rabid Russian propaganda and people having a narrative. The firehose of falsehood is a known Russian propaganda method to muddy the waters and they have used it extensively in Ukraine.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Do you have some examples of stuff that you would consider obvious rabid Russian propaganda? And then different stuff of people having a narrative? I'd like to compare them myself. In general I find it useful to read a wide variety of sources, and I can't see myself excluding something from consideration by labeling it propaganda. For many reasons as I stated above, that seems prejudicial and unwise, when reading it could be useful and informative. An additional trouble is raised by your point, in that, by prejudging articles as being likely propaganda and then excluding them from your consideration, you risk making yourself vulnerable to manipulation by whoever you trust to label content as propaganda or not. In effect, by trusting propaganda labelling you may end up supporting, or even being victim to, what you seek to prevent and protect yourself from! Therefore I'm interested to know more about your examples, in the hope that I can learn more and discover if I really think there is a distinction to be had there! Distinguishing obvious propaganda from narrative seems like it could be challenging, so I'm eagerly awaiting any examples you could provide in order to educate myself more. Please share! :)

by _kbh_ 3y ago

keepamovin 3y ago

I guess everybody is trying to push a narrative, and in general, where if we're being honest, gauging true intent and accuracy is hard, it seems a good strategy to consume a wide cross-section of resources if you hope to build up an accurate picture. I also personally find the "reading between the lines" approach useful. Propaganda pieces often contain interesting stances, useful facts omitted in publications with different stances, and in general are just an interesting window into the thinking of people from a different background. Over-specializing in any one silo of information makes you vulnerable to manipulation. Spreading your portfolio among many sources lessens your exposure and risk. There's also something to be said for reading a wide variety of sources, including propaganda, to develop your critical muscles, and improve your resilience to manipulation. The more exposure you have to it, the more you can see how it operates, and ultimately free yourself from it. A sort of "conscious consumption" if you will, haha :).

_kbh_ 3y ago
> I guess everybody is trying to push a narrative, and in general, where if we're being honest, gauging true intent and accuracy is hard, it seems a good strategy to consume a wide cross-section of resources if you hope to build up an accurate picture. Yeah but theres a big difference between the obvious rabid Russian propaganda and people having a narrative. The firehose of falsehood is a known Russian propaganda method to muddy the waters and they have used it extensively in Ukraine.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Do you have some examples of stuff that you would consider obvious rabid Russian propaganda? And then different stuff of people having a narrative? I'd like to compare them myself. In general I find it useful to read a wide variety of sources, and I can't see myself excluding something from consideration by labeling it propaganda. For many reasons as I stated above, that seems prejudicial and unwise, when reading it could be useful and informative. An additional trouble is raised by your point, in that, by prejudging articles as being likely propaganda and then excluding them from your consideration, you risk making yourself vulnerable to manipulation by whoever you trust to label content as propaganda or not. In effect, by trusting propaganda labelling you may end up supporting, or even being victim to, what you seek to prevent and protect yourself from! Therefore I'm interested to know more about your examples, in the hope that I can learn more and discover if I really think there is a distinction to be had there! Distinguishing obvious propaganda from narrative seems like it could be challenging, so I'm eagerly awaiting any examples you could provide in order to educate myself more. Please share! :)