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Can someone please ELI5 why this link deserves to be the top on hacker news?

by abhinai 3y ago

screamingninja 3y ago
Our discussion is certainly contributing to keeping it there longer than necessary
langarus 3y ago
hackernews is about what's important to the one posting
dgellow 3y ago
People vote for it. There is no such thing as “deserve to be at the top”. If the HN crowd show interests and upvote, then it rises.
- dataengineer56 3y ago
  That's only true if you believe that every vote on HN is honest.
  - baq 3y ago
    HN moderation is super heavy handed and we like it this way. Alternatives are predictably enshittified.
    - dataengineer56 3y ago
      Moderation has no ability to affect a coordinated voting campaign.
      - dgellow 3y ago
        HN does apply negative weight to submissions that seem to be astroturfed. Part of it is automated, part of it is manual reports or admin actions. Similar to what is done for sensitive topics.
  - dgellow 3y ago
    I don’t think that’s necessary for the system to work. If topics the community find interest in can reach the front page, and “toxic” subjects are contained well enough, then the system works. It doesn’t really matter if upvoters are honest or not. If you can cheat in a way that makes your post reach and stay on the front page, it’s very likely that people are interested in discussing the topic. So far HN system has been working pretty good. Not for all topics of course, some result in really toxic exchanges or annoy some people. But you almost never see spam or obviously astroturfed content in the front page (at least compared to Reddit and other places).
lopis 3y ago
I'm surprised too. Isn't this essentially an ad? I guess it's OK because it's a free app.
- k8sToGo 3y ago
  Isn’t everything an ad? Even when someone posts a GitHub link to their project?
  - Levitating 3y ago
    Yes but they're not trying to sell their open source project to us
    - qup 3y ago
      The app is free
    - matsemann 3y ago
      Should we ban new iPhone releases from being discussed here? Other tech released as well?
- franga2000 3y ago
  So many things on HN could be considered ads. People often post about even non-major releases of SaaS products. The launch of a brand new powerful app and the entry of a big company into a new market seems a lot more newsworthy than most of those.
fragmede 3y ago
> What to Submit > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
soultrees 3y ago
I think it’s because BM has a cult following and part of that is because BMs software is notoriously high quality and they seem to be doing things the right way bg avoiding subscriptions and putting real resources into engineering effort for their cameras but also the software. I, for one, was excited to see a BM product available on my iPhone now so I can see why others are just as excited. Google has made the front page for less noteworthy apps before I’m sure.
- deleted 3y ago
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gls2ro 3y ago
My perspective: Blackmagic has great, mostly professional hardware (cameras and more) with high-quality, stable software again focused on pro-market. They also have amateur or entry-level stuff, but even those have excellent quality. So Blackmagic deciding to create an app for iPhone might say they consider the iPhone camera good enough for them. And this is a message worth considering.
moondev 3y ago
https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-hacker-news-ranking-algorithm-works-1d9b0cf2c08d https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-hacker-news-ranking...
linsomniac 3y ago
A lot of the world is creating content, and this includes hackers. My most recent TikTok was about password managers. Timecode makes this a gamechanger, especially for the casual filmer. I've been messing around with crappy action cams for things like recording my kids performances and the like. I've been using two cameras (it's nice to have a second PoV, especially when someone walks in front of the camera), but it is a world of pain on these cameras. I came *this close* to buying a pair of GoPro Hero 12s this past week because they finally have fully baked timecode into the firmware, but it seems like they also have problems with overheating when recording for 25 minutes inside (let alone in the sun). This release means I can use a couple old iPhones I have retired, and likely get pretty good timesync out of it, automatically, without having to go into the videos and spend literally hours syncing multiple camera angles and dealing with drift from different cameras.
dhfbshfbu4u3 3y ago
Because once upon a time people made software instead of training models and some of those people still like to see what’s going on in the world of actual software development.

Can someone please ELI5 why this link deserves to be the top on hacker news?

screamingninja 3y ago

Our discussion is certainly contributing to keeping it there longer than necessary

langarus 3y ago

hackernews is about what's important to the one posting

dgellow 3y ago

People vote for it. There is no such thing as “deserve to be at the top”. If the HN crowd show interests and upvote, then it rises.

dataengineer56 3y ago
That's only true if you believe that every vote on HN is honest.
- baq 3y ago
  HN moderation is super heavy handed and we like it this way. Alternatives are predictably enshittified.
  - dataengineer56 3y ago
    Moderation has no ability to affect a coordinated voting campaign.
    - dgellow 3y ago
      HN does apply negative weight to submissions that seem to be astroturfed. Part of it is automated, part of it is manual reports or admin actions. Similar to what is done for sensitive topics.
- dgellow 3y ago
  I don’t think that’s necessary for the system to work. If topics the community find interest in can reach the front page, and “toxic” subjects are contained well enough, then the system works. It doesn’t really matter if upvoters are honest or not. If you can cheat in a way that makes your post reach and stay on the front page, it’s very likely that people are interested in discussing the topic. So far HN system has been working pretty good. Not for all topics of course, some result in really toxic exchanges or annoy some people. But you almost never see spam or obviously astroturfed content in the front page (at least compared to Reddit and other places).

lopis 3y ago

I'm surprised too. Isn't this essentially an ad? I guess it's OK because it's a free app.

k8sToGo 3y ago
Isn’t everything an ad? Even when someone posts a GitHub link to their project?
- Levitating 3y ago
  Yes but they're not trying to sell their open source project to us
  - qup 3y ago
    The app is free
  - matsemann 3y ago
    Should we ban new iPhone releases from being discussed here? Other tech released as well?
franga2000 3y ago
So many things on HN could be considered ads. People often post about even non-major releases of SaaS products. The launch of a brand new powerful app and the entry of a big company into a new market seems a lot more newsworthy than most of those.

fragmede 3y ago

> What to Submit > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

soultrees 3y ago

I think it’s because BM has a cult following and part of that is because BMs software is notoriously high quality and they seem to be doing things the right way bg avoiding subscriptions and putting real resources into engineering effort for their cameras but also the software. I, for one, was excited to see a BM product available on my iPhone now so I can see why others are just as excited. Google has made the front page for less noteworthy apps before I’m sure.

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

gls2ro 3y ago

My perspective: Blackmagic has great, mostly professional hardware (cameras and more) with high-quality, stable software again focused on pro-market. They also have amateur or entry-level stuff, but even those have excellent quality. So Blackmagic deciding to create an app for iPhone might say they consider the iPhone camera good enough for them. And this is a message worth considering.

moondev 3y ago

https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-hacker-news-ranking-algorithm-works-1d9b0cf2c08d https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-hacker-news-ranking...

linsomniac 3y ago

A lot of the world is creating content, and this includes hackers. My most recent TikTok was about password managers. Timecode makes this a gamechanger, especially for the casual filmer. I've been messing around with crappy action cams for things like recording my kids performances and the like. I've been using two cameras (it's nice to have a second PoV, especially when someone walks in front of the camera), but it is a world of pain on these cameras. I came *this close* to buying a pair of GoPro Hero 12s this past week because they finally have fully baked timecode into the firmware, but it seems like they also have problems with overheating when recording for 25 minutes inside (let alone in the sun). This release means I can use a couple old iPhones I have retired, and likely get pretty good timesync out of it, automatically, without having to go into the videos and spend literally hours syncing multiple camera angles and dealing with drift from different cameras.

dhfbshfbu4u3 3y ago

Because once upon a time people made software instead of training models and some of those people still like to see what’s going on in the world of actual software development.