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Apple made the same promises. Now we have software-remote-locked parts which, when replaced, won't work unless Apple approves them. [1] I bet laptop manufactu

Apple made the same promises. Now we have software-remote-locked parts which, when replaced, won't work unless Apple approves them. [1] I bet laptop manufacturers are on their way implementing parts pairing, and Intel surely is happy to provide a platform for this. [1] https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_15_pro_max_teardown_on_ifixit_reveals_more_of_the_same_-news-60025.php https://m.gsmarena.com/iphone_15_pro_max_teardown_on_ifixit_...

christkv 3y ago
Consumer and businesses need to vote with their money and buy laptops from framework and others like them. It will force the others to follow suite.
- edwcross 3y ago
  Someone please help Framework sell to businesses, otherwise those of us who want but cannot buy them will have to keep buying user-hostile laptops.
  - pimterry 3y ago
    They just opened "Framework for Business" recently: https://frame.work/framework-for-business https://frame.work/framework-for-business
- sneak 3y ago
  The Framework laptops are slow, power hungry, and low resolution, otherwise I would have one. I further assume without any data whatsoever that the speakers are bad (because all non-Apple laptop speakers are bad). Anyone but anyone has a lot of catching up to do with Apple laptops right now.
  - Iulioh 3y ago
    Sorry but what the fuck are you talking about Framework has a 2256 by 1504 resolution with the last Intel processors and 55/61wh battery for the 13' version The power hungry is debatable but that's not a framework problem, is an Intel problem Seems that not even HN is safe from Apple fan boys
    - hedora 3y ago
      They did fix the screen (weren’t they 1080p before?) However, the battery kwh number is less than the tdp kw of any of the 13th gen intel processors, so it may as well just hibernate when unplugged. Also, I haven’t seen a reliable intel laptop for 12 years. However, the Ryzen tdp kw is 1/2-1/4 the battery kwh, so it probably gets a few hours under heavy load. I’d consider one, assuming the Linux taint bit is off. Do they run any of the BSD’s well?
      - ilyt 3y ago
        > I’d consider one, assuming the Linux taint bit is off. Do they run any of the BSD’s well? Ah, obligatory "BSD user being a twat any time Linux is mentioned" comment
      - Iulioh 3y ago
        >They did fix the screen (weren’t they 1080p before?) It never was >However, the battery kwh number is (low) Eh, that's pretty much the standard , even macs start with 52kw In some you see 72 and i don't really know how some companies can get 96 inside but hey >Also, I haven’t seen a reliable intel laptop for 12 years. There is nothing thst could change your mind
    - sneak 3y ago
      1504 tall is low res in 2023. Even my iPad is 2048 pixels tall. For reference, 4K UHD is 3840x2160. The MBP16 is 3456x2234. > The power hungry is debatable but that's not a framework problem, is an Intel problem Nope, it would be my problem if I bought one.
      - Iulioh 3y ago
        Not pro macbooks have 1600res (basically the same) Notebooks and tablets have different use case and distance they are used at And while i would like 4k on everything just because we can make 4k phone screens you can't pretend 16k on notebooks Because then i can shit on the mbp resolution because i can get a 4k dell
- Gigachad 3y ago
  Business don’t care about self repair. They care about high durability and low failure rate as well as good support. They will just send the laptops back to the company to have them repaired.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    > They care about high durability and low failure rate Only withing warranty period, after that they dont care
JimDabell 3y ago
> Apple made the same promises. When?
- hedora 3y ago
  100% of their laptops, tablets and phones have been repairable in-store for 15+ years. Lenovo is promising this for customers or channel partners. Apple doesn’t have much of a sales channel, so the promise is similar to current in-store practices at Apple.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    I don't consider "replace half fucking motherboard coz a connector or chip got bad" to be called "repair" Apple devices are "repairable" if you consider replacing an entire car engine for faulty spark plug as "repair"
  - tomwheeler 3y ago
    That was not my experience. The Ive-era "impossibly thin" MacBook Pro I had at work a few years ago developed a swollen battery. The local Apple Store had to ship it out for repair. That machine later failed again and its replacement subsequently had a problem that required putting in a new logic board, which also required them shipping it off, so I was without a computer for about a week each time. Although there are two Apple Stores within a 15-minute drive of my house, neither of them could handle a pretty straightforward repair on site.

christkv 3y ago

Consumer and businesses need to vote with their money and buy laptops from framework and others like them. It will force the others to follow suite.

edwcross 3y ago
Someone please help Framework sell to businesses, otherwise those of us who want but cannot buy them will have to keep buying user-hostile laptops.
- pimterry 3y ago
  They just opened "Framework for Business" recently: https://frame.work/framework-for-business https://frame.work/framework-for-business
sneak 3y ago
The Framework laptops are slow, power hungry, and low resolution, otherwise I would have one. I further assume without any data whatsoever that the speakers are bad (because all non-Apple laptop speakers are bad). Anyone but anyone has a lot of catching up to do with Apple laptops right now.
- Iulioh 3y ago
  Sorry but what the fuck are you talking about Framework has a 2256 by 1504 resolution with the last Intel processors and 55/61wh battery for the 13' version The power hungry is debatable but that's not a framework problem, is an Intel problem Seems that not even HN is safe from Apple fan boys
  - hedora 3y ago
    They did fix the screen (weren’t they 1080p before?) However, the battery kwh number is less than the tdp kw of any of the 13th gen intel processors, so it may as well just hibernate when unplugged. Also, I haven’t seen a reliable intel laptop for 12 years. However, the Ryzen tdp kw is 1/2-1/4 the battery kwh, so it probably gets a few hours under heavy load. I’d consider one, assuming the Linux taint bit is off. Do they run any of the BSD’s well?
    - ilyt 3y ago
      > I’d consider one, assuming the Linux taint bit is off. Do they run any of the BSD’s well? Ah, obligatory "BSD user being a twat any time Linux is mentioned" comment
    - Iulioh 3y ago
      >They did fix the screen (weren’t they 1080p before?) It never was >However, the battery kwh number is (low) Eh, that's pretty much the standard , even macs start with 52kw In some you see 72 and i don't really know how some companies can get 96 inside but hey >Also, I haven’t seen a reliable intel laptop for 12 years. There is nothing thst could change your mind
  - sneak 3y ago
    1504 tall is low res in 2023. Even my iPad is 2048 pixels tall. For reference, 4K UHD is 3840x2160. The MBP16 is 3456x2234. > The power hungry is debatable but that's not a framework problem, is an Intel problem Nope, it would be my problem if I bought one.
    - Iulioh 3y ago
      Not pro macbooks have 1600res (basically the same) Notebooks and tablets have different use case and distance they are used at And while i would like 4k on everything just because we can make 4k phone screens you can't pretend 16k on notebooks Because then i can shit on the mbp resolution because i can get a 4k dell
Gigachad 3y ago
Business don’t care about self repair. They care about high durability and low failure rate as well as good support. They will just send the laptops back to the company to have them repaired.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  > They care about high durability and low failure rate Only withing warranty period, after that they dont care

JimDabell 3y ago

> Apple made the same promises. When?

hedora 3y ago
100% of their laptops, tablets and phones have been repairable in-store for 15+ years. Lenovo is promising this for customers or channel partners. Apple doesn’t have much of a sales channel, so the promise is similar to current in-store practices at Apple.
- ilyt 3y ago
  I don't consider "replace half fucking motherboard coz a connector or chip got bad" to be called "repair" Apple devices are "repairable" if you consider replacing an entire car engine for faulty spark plug as "repair"
- tomwheeler 3y ago
  That was not my experience. The Ive-era "impossibly thin" MacBook Pro I had at work a few years ago developed a swollen battery. The local Apple Store had to ship it out for repair. That machine later failed again and its replacement subsequently had a problem that required putting in a new logic board, which also required them shipping it off, so I was without a computer for about a week each time. Although there are two Apple Stores within a 15-minute drive of my house, neither of them could handle a pretty straightforward repair on site.