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> It's a bit annoying living outside the core when you are young since cabs are expensive and regional pubic transit unavailable late Use a bike? If you don't

> It's a bit annoying living outside the core when you are young since cabs are expensive and regional pubic transit unavailable late Use a bike? If you don't want to cycle all the way to the city park it at the last all-night public transport stop and take the bus/tram/train/whathaveyounot to the city from there? Maybe it is my Dutch heritage or maybe just common sense but anything up to ~15km is within an easy bike ride range, 20km if needed. OK, you can't get drunk like a skunk but why would you do that anyway? A few beers are fine, you'll cycle them off anyway. In my eyes cities look at their best when you see them disappearing on the horizon after a pleasant night out. I've never been to Toronto so maybe this prospect is totally unthinkable there but I've spent a few weeks around Vancouver - it was meant to be only a few days since I was scheduled to fly out on the 11th of September, 2001 - where cycling was just as feasible as in most European cities.

sanswork 3y ago
The city would be a 40-100km ride. As mentioned regional transport is spotty at night and even then you are probably looking at a 15-30km trip from the nearest stop on 80km roads with small shoulders. It's also completely out of the question for the 6-7 months a year snow is on the ground.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  15 km is doable, 30 is (literally) taking it a bit far so that would be reserved for once or twice a year events. Snow on the ground is not that much of a problem as long as it isn't a metre deep where you're supposed to cycle. I live in Sweden where snow isn't uncommon either and cycle the year trough, if need be on a bike with studded tyres but mostly on a fairly normal 24-speed 29" wheel steel-framed bike. Cycle paths are mostly absent here as well, at least in the countryside where I live. The 80km roads are 70km gravel roads but for the rest the situation is quite comparable I think.
  - sanswork 3y ago
    Honestly riding a bike in the winter with little shoulder space on 70km roads sounds like a death wish to me. I really don't think it'd be appropriate around Toronto countryside as a solution and I find it hard to believe it's common where you are too but glad you found something you enjoy.
    - the_third_wave 3y ago
      No, it is not common, as said this might be might be my Dutch heritage showing. My daughters - 12 and 18 - are also 'affected' in that they are used to cycling where their friends expect to be driven.

sanswork 3y ago

The city would be a 40-100km ride. As mentioned regional transport is spotty at night and even then you are probably looking at a 15-30km trip from the nearest stop on 80km roads with small shoulders. It's also completely out of the question for the 6-7 months a year snow is on the ground.

the_third_wave 3y ago
15 km is doable, 30 is (literally) taking it a bit far so that would be reserved for once or twice a year events. Snow on the ground is not that much of a problem as long as it isn't a metre deep where you're supposed to cycle. I live in Sweden where snow isn't uncommon either and cycle the year trough, if need be on a bike with studded tyres but mostly on a fairly normal 24-speed 29" wheel steel-framed bike. Cycle paths are mostly absent here as well, at least in the countryside where I live. The 80km roads are 70km gravel roads but for the rest the situation is quite comparable I think.
- sanswork 3y ago
  Honestly riding a bike in the winter with little shoulder space on 70km roads sounds like a death wish to me. I really don't think it'd be appropriate around Toronto countryside as a solution and I find it hard to believe it's common where you are too but glad you found something you enjoy.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    No, it is not common, as said this might be might be my Dutch heritage showing. My daughters - 12 and 18 - are also 'affected' in that they are used to cycling where their friends expect to be driven.