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I was expecting some sort of systemic problem across the operating system, but it seems to be just one specific bug in WebKit—though there is also a link to “ou

I was expecting some sort of systemic problem across the operating system, but it seems to be just one specific bug in WebKit—though there is also a link to “our recent post on problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies”, and though it does sound to be a rather debilitating bug for affected users, and though this sort of bug making it to production can be a symptom of systemic problems in the organisation.

PaulHoule 3y ago
One fault can leave a platform 100% broken.
callalex 3y ago
Would you tolerate a machine that just stops working for several minutes randomly all day while screaming at you?
- McGlockenshire 3y ago
  I think you just described compiler output.
- yosito 3y ago
  This perfectly describes my typical experience using the internet in 2023.
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- BlarfMcFlarf 3y ago
  That’s what ads are.
- str3wer 3y ago
  aren't we already doing that everyday?
tomxor 3y ago
They mention another post covering broader issues, just highlighting this as the worst: > I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting users. As a web developer who is committed to supporting blind and disabled users in general, I'm just getting deep into all of this now, and so far I can say that VO is the worst of the three screen readers for web usage. It has fallen far behind on standards support for modern aria attributes, completely ignoring many of them in practice, to the point where it's not possible to always achieve intended screen reader behaviour in VO. Much as with Safari, Apple only seems to pays lip service to support of VO, completely blind users seem to only ever use VO if given no other option, but many online stats muddy OS usage with web usage to make this less obvious.
x0x0 3y ago
This broadly seems -- for a blind user -- like the monitor periodically taking a break for a sighted user. Seems like it would get real old by, like, the 3rd time or so.
lelanthran 3y ago
A single bug that stops you using the internet at all is far worse than hundreds of bugs that simply inconvenience you.

PaulHoule 3y ago

One fault can leave a platform 100% broken.

callalex 3y ago

Would you tolerate a machine that just stops working for several minutes randomly all day while screaming at you?

McGlockenshire 3y ago
I think you just described compiler output.
yosito 3y ago
This perfectly describes my typical experience using the internet in 2023.
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BlarfMcFlarf 3y ago
That’s what ads are.
str3wer 3y ago
aren't we already doing that everyday?

tomxor 3y ago

They mention another post covering broader issues, just highlighting this as the worst: > I want to emphasise that the “Safari not responding” bug is far from the only issue effecting VoiceOver users on Mac. As our recent post on problems in macOS Sonoma and the replies outline, there are numerous other VoiceOver frustrations and failures impacting users. As a web developer who is committed to supporting blind and disabled users in general, I'm just getting deep into all of this now, and so far I can say that VO is the worst of the three screen readers for web usage. It has fallen far behind on standards support for modern aria attributes, completely ignoring many of them in practice, to the point where it's not possible to always achieve intended screen reader behaviour in VO. Much as with Safari, Apple only seems to pays lip service to support of VO, completely blind users seem to only ever use VO if given no other option, but many online stats muddy OS usage with web usage to make this less obvious.

x0x0 3y ago

This broadly seems -- for a blind user -- like the monitor periodically taking a break for a sighted user. Seems like it would get real old by, like, the 3rd time or so.

lelanthran 3y ago

A single bug that stops you using the internet at all is far worse than hundreds of bugs that simply inconvenience you.