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For Russia Ukraine is as personal for historical reasons but also for strategic reasons. Ukraine is the buffer state between nato and Russia and the access to

by ipaddr 3y ago

For Russia Ukraine is as personal for historical reasons but also for strategic reasons. Ukraine is the buffer state between nato and Russia and the access to the black sea.

jnsaff2 3y ago
What historical reasons would justify invading and killing people who don't want to be part of russia? As for buffer states, by attacking Ukraine they pushed Finland into NATO which the führer does not seem to mind. So we can easily call bullshit on this trope. As for access to Black Sea, just look at the map. russia has plenty of access to it.
ajuc 3y ago
If you asked Russians about that 20 years ago nobody would say that :) The main russian propagandist - Solovyov - publicly argued that Russia cannot invade Crimea and should let Ukraine do whatever it likes like 15 years ago. Now he argues Russia should nuke the west because Ukraine must be russian. Not 20 years passed. Watch the videos - they are hilarious when you compare to what they are saying now [1] Russia is authocracy, they will say whatever putin wants them to say. If putin decides to stop the war and go home - the same people will say with 100% confidence that it's the best thing to do and Russia has no interest in internal Ukrainian affairs. As for strategic reasons - Russia moved its soldiers from Finland border after Finland joined NATO. Russia knows perfectly well NATO does not want to invade it. They not only know it - they rely on it. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-1751095 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-1751095
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- thiagoharry 3y ago
  This is not what leaks tell us about communications between Russia and USA from 15 years ago: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1502177250300600320 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1502177250300600320 (I would post the original cable, but Wikileaks is offline now).
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    By “this” you refer to which part of the comment? Finland had zero plans for joining NATO before russia brutally attacked Ukraine. Finland also joined to better protect them from russian aggression. So NATO coming closer to russia is fully a consequence of their own actions. People don’t like their country invaded.

by ipaddr 3y ago

For Russia Ukraine is as personal for historical reasons but also for strategic reasons. Ukraine is the buffer state between nato and Russia and the access to the black sea.

jnsaff2 3y ago

What historical reasons would justify invading and killing people who don't want to be part of russia? As for buffer states, by attacking Ukraine they pushed Finland into NATO which the führer does not seem to mind. So we can easily call bullshit on this trope. As for access to Black Sea, just look at the map. russia has plenty of access to it.

ajuc 3y ago

If you asked Russians about that 20 years ago nobody would say that :) The main russian propagandist - Solovyov - publicly argued that Russia cannot invade Crimea and should let Ukraine do whatever it likes like 15 years ago. Now he argues Russia should nuke the west because Ukraine must be russian. Not 20 years passed. Watch the videos - they are hilarious when you compare to what they are saying now [1] Russia is authocracy, they will say whatever putin wants them to say. If putin decides to stop the war and go home - the same people will say with 100% confidence that it's the best thing to do and Russia has no interest in internal Ukrainian affairs. As for strategic reasons - Russia moved its soldiers from Finland border after Finland joined NATO. Russia knows perfectly well NATO does not want to invade it. They not only know it - they rely on it. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-1751095 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-1751095

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thiagoharry 3y ago
This is not what leaks tell us about communications between Russia and USA from 15 years ago: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1502177250300600320 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1502177250300600320 (I would post the original cable, but Wikileaks is offline now).
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  By “this” you refer to which part of the comment? Finland had zero plans for joining NATO before russia brutally attacked Ukraine. Finland also joined to better protect them from russian aggression. So NATO coming closer to russia is fully a consequence of their own actions. People don’t like their country invaded.