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I guess you are trolling..

asveikau 3y ago
No, just someone who remembers the discourse about violent crime in the 90s, eg. It was much worse than today. American cities are universally much safer than when I was a kid. It makes the claim ridiculous. You can't blame a governor for crime rates anyway. Nor can you draw much correlation to things like policing. It's idiotic and a juvenile view of how and why crime happens. These things happen from so many societal factors and it isn't politicians causing or preventing it. But it's been a republican culture war wedge issue for a few years lately. Seems like you fell for the con.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  in 90s it was worse, then it got better, then current dems consistently making it worse again. > You can't blame a governor for crime rates anyway. dems made small value crimes not felony, it is strong incentive for crime rise, and strong motivation for police to not go after such cases.
  - asveikau 3y ago
    > in 90s it was worse, then it got better, then current dems consistently making it worse again. Call me when the murder rate reaches the 1990s peak. They haven't. I'll say again, American cities are much safer than they've been in my living memory. > dems made small value crimes not felony, This is a horse shit explanation. Firstly, that was a ballot initiative passed by will of the voters, probably because California prisons, like most US prisons, have been overcrowded and we have insanely high incarceration rates exceeding pretty much every other nation, which is not appropriate. Secondly, I think people who have looked at this will tell you it had no impact on crime rates. Unless they work for Fox news etc.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > that was a ballot initiative passed by will of the voters that path is easily manipulated and compromised, because majority of voters don't have capacity to carefully review all propositions. And yes, population blindly supporting dems are also accountable for their actions. Not interested to discuss your other statements, because I see them as low quality.
  - kahnclusions 3y ago
    > dems made small value crimes not felony Are you seriously blaming the Democrats for the invention of misdemeanour crimes? Or for adjusting the threshold between misdemeanour and felony according to inflation? Texas has misdemeanour theft to a far higher threshold than California… oops. Stop watching Fox News.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      texas has ccw, so citizens can protect themself if carjacked on gas station.
      - trogdor 3y ago
        How is that relevant? GP was talking about the threshold for misdemeanor vs. felony crimes, and the fact that the threshold is higher in Texas than in California.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        Criminals will do more crimes if they not stopped by measures. Measures can be punishment and police enforcement or citizens being able to self defend. In California dems are aggressively reducing both.
        asveikau 3y ago
        This is your conspiracy theory version of you got from conservative media. They're using perception of crime as a wedge issue, just like they used to do with abortion, or do currently with gay and trans bashing. They won't do anything different, and certainly nothing that works better. They just want you angry and afraid.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        I don't watch conservative media, I just see more and more posts on r/bayarea about carjacking or blantant assaults and robbery, then I was thinking about buying gun and applying for ccw, and found about SB2 bill which prohibits ccw in most reasonable places.

No, just someone who remembers the discourse about violent crime in the 90s, eg. It was much worse than today. American cities are universally much safer than when I was a kid. It makes the claim ridiculous. You can't blame a governor for crime rates anyway. Nor can you draw much correlation to things like policing. It's idiotic and a juvenile view of how and why crime happens. These things happen from so many societal factors and it isn't politicians causing or preventing it. But it's been a republican culture war wedge issue for a few years lately. Seems like you fell for the con.

riku_iki 3y ago
in 90s it was worse, then it got better, then current dems consistently making it worse again. > You can't blame a governor for crime rates anyway. dems made small value crimes not felony, it is strong incentive for crime rise, and strong motivation for police to not go after such cases.
- asveikau 3y ago
  > in 90s it was worse, then it got better, then current dems consistently making it worse again. Call me when the murder rate reaches the 1990s peak. They haven't. I'll say again, American cities are much safer than they've been in my living memory. > dems made small value crimes not felony, This is a horse shit explanation. Firstly, that was a ballot initiative passed by will of the voters, probably because California prisons, like most US prisons, have been overcrowded and we have insanely high incarceration rates exceeding pretty much every other nation, which is not appropriate. Secondly, I think people who have looked at this will tell you it had no impact on crime rates. Unless they work for Fox news etc.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > that was a ballot initiative passed by will of the voters that path is easily manipulated and compromised, because majority of voters don't have capacity to carefully review all propositions. And yes, population blindly supporting dems are also accountable for their actions. Not interested to discuss your other statements, because I see them as low quality.
- kahnclusions 3y ago
  > dems made small value crimes not felony Are you seriously blaming the Democrats for the invention of misdemeanour crimes? Or for adjusting the threshold between misdemeanour and felony according to inflation? Texas has misdemeanour theft to a far higher threshold than California… oops. Stop watching Fox News.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    texas has ccw, so citizens can protect themself if carjacked on gas station.
    - trogdor 3y ago
      How is that relevant? GP was talking about the threshold for misdemeanor vs. felony crimes, and the fact that the threshold is higher in Texas than in California.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        Criminals will do more crimes if they not stopped by measures. Measures can be punishment and police enforcement or citizens being able to self defend. In California dems are aggressively reducing both.
        asveikau 3y ago
        This is your conspiracy theory version of you got from conservative media. They're using perception of crime as a wedge issue, just like they used to do with abortion, or do currently with gay and trans bashing. They won't do anything different, and certainly nothing that works better. They just want you angry and afraid.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        I don't watch conservative media, I just see more and more posts on r/bayarea about carjacking or blantant assaults and robbery, then I was thinking about buying gun and applying for ccw, and found about SB2 bill which prohibits ccw in most reasonable places.