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Another perspective is this was allowed to happen. It's a bit of wild conspiracy at the moment but if you think about long term strategy, events such as this ca

Another perspective is this was allowed to happen. It's a bit of wild conspiracy at the moment but if you think about long term strategy, events such as this can shape public opinion. The images going around the world of the terror attack on the "Music Festival For Peace" is going to be quite the PR nightmare for Hamas.

throwaway290 3y ago
Thought so too. Hard to imagine anyone would not see this attack coming this time of year, but I don't think their gov would sacrifice people to make Hamas reputation slightly worse. Also, warring now undermines negotiations with other Arab/Muslim countries, Israel would be stupid to not foresee it. The worst possible conspiracy is current gov wants to stay in power and show the pink front "this is what happens if you distract us with your protests". If so I hope they burn in hell for additional eternity. But it's also a naive take. Charitably they literally had hands full I guess.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  It would not be unprecedented. Nixon prolonged the Vietnam war to help his election odds [1], and Israel itself perpetrated false flag attacks during the Lavon Affair [2], and, arguably, the attack on USS Liberty [3]. I'm not saying this attack by Hamas was allowed to happen (in fact, unless some evidence comes to light, the default assumption should be there was no conspiracy), but "I don't think the gov would sacrifice people" [4] is not a sure thing. It's probable, but not nearly certain. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair [3] Citing Ennes's book, Lenczowski notes: Liberty's personnel received firm orders not to say anything to anybody about the attack, and the naval inquiry was conducted in such a way as to earn it the name of "coverup". - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident [4] I deliberately cut your sentence short. Their goal could be different from just tarring Hamas. Such as swaying local elections, or increasing US military aid, sorry, cooperation [5], with Israel. [5] If this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel. - Nancy Pelosi, Israel-American Council Conference, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LmnQRnw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LmnQRnw8I
- swader999 3y ago
  Perhaps there were indications, it would still be hard to know exactly when and how large an attack would be. I think that music festival was invite only, very exclusive, possibly some of elites children there.
  - tguvot 3y ago
    music festival had tickets for sale, not by invite: https://www.eventer.co.il/event/novaparalellotranslate/wCqCL https://www.eventer.co.il/event/novaparalellotranslate/wCqCL . children of elite are hardly a thing in israel. especially in context of drug infused trance festivals at nature. which are dime a dozen over there.
myth_drannon 3y ago
Spot the Russian bot
- Gud 3y ago
  It is plausible that the hardliners would consider this as a throwing one stone, hitting two birds kind of thing. Bring the peacnik hippies in line while at the same time letting Hamas show what a sick organization they are. I do not think for a second Shin Bet didn't know something was going to happen before it happened. The question is to what extent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet
  - myth_drannon 3y ago
    I have been reading for months articles in major newspapers that something horrible will happen. Army was not prepared(and seen as elitist left) and all the concernes were dismissed as leftist propaganda. Most thought it will come from Hizbollah and the North not from the "highly" protected south. All alarm bells were sounding for months, the government chose to deal with other topics.
LinuxBender 3y ago
Not an expert in this area but wasn't the festival about 20km or so from the Gaza border and somewhat secluded from any civilization? If so it seems like this could just be the first stop in the invasion and from the images and videos I saw they did not have any security. I think these people don't want security/law present as some of them are doing drugs as it is a rave. They did appear to be in cell phone range as there are videos of them casually filming the paramotor invaders over head. Not linking to any of that. Ravers would be easy soft targets being unarmed and high. Were there armed security and they just weren't in the images? If there were I would have expected them to call it in.
- rurban 3y ago
  It was just 5km from the border, relocated from another spot just 3 days prior.

throwaway290 3y ago

Thought so too. Hard to imagine anyone would not see this attack coming this time of year, but I don't think their gov would sacrifice people to make Hamas reputation slightly worse. Also, warring now undermines negotiations with other Arab/Muslim countries, Israel would be stupid to not foresee it. The worst possible conspiracy is current gov wants to stay in power and show the pink front "this is what happens if you distract us with your protests". If so I hope they burn in hell for additional eternity. But it's also a naive take. Charitably they literally had hands full I guess.

SenAnder 3y ago
It would not be unprecedented. Nixon prolonged the Vietnam war to help his election odds [1], and Israel itself perpetrated false flag attacks during the Lavon Affair [2], and, arguably, the attack on USS Liberty [3]. I'm not saying this attack by Hamas was allowed to happen (in fact, unless some evidence comes to light, the default assumption should be there was no conspiracy), but "I don't think the gov would sacrifice people" [4] is not a sure thing. It's probable, but not nearly certain. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair [3] Citing Ennes's book, Lenczowski notes: Liberty's personnel received firm orders not to say anything to anybody about the attack, and the naval inquiry was conducted in such a way as to earn it the name of "coverup". - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident [4] I deliberately cut your sentence short. Their goal could be different from just tarring Hamas. Such as swaying local elections, or increasing US military aid, sorry, cooperation [5], with Israel. [5] If this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain would be our commitment to our aid, I don’t even call it our aid, our cooperation with Israel. - Nancy Pelosi, Israel-American Council Conference, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LmnQRnw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LmnQRnw8I
swader999 3y ago
Perhaps there were indications, it would still be hard to know exactly when and how large an attack would be. I think that music festival was invite only, very exclusive, possibly some of elites children there.
- tguvot 3y ago
  music festival had tickets for sale, not by invite: https://www.eventer.co.il/event/novaparalellotranslate/wCqCL https://www.eventer.co.il/event/novaparalellotranslate/wCqCL . children of elite are hardly a thing in israel. especially in context of drug infused trance festivals at nature. which are dime a dozen over there.

myth_drannon 3y ago

Spot the Russian bot

Gud 3y ago
It is plausible that the hardliners would consider this as a throwing one stone, hitting two birds kind of thing. Bring the peacnik hippies in line while at the same time letting Hamas show what a sick organization they are. I do not think for a second Shin Bet didn't know something was going to happen before it happened. The question is to what extent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet
- myth_drannon 3y ago
  I have been reading for months articles in major newspapers that something horrible will happen. Army was not prepared(and seen as elitist left) and all the concernes were dismissed as leftist propaganda. Most thought it will come from Hizbollah and the North not from the "highly" protected south. All alarm bells were sounding for months, the government chose to deal with other topics.

LinuxBender 3y ago

Not an expert in this area but wasn't the festival about 20km or so from the Gaza border and somewhat secluded from any civilization? If so it seems like this could just be the first stop in the invasion and from the images and videos I saw they did not have any security. I think these people don't want security/law present as some of them are doing drugs as it is a rave. They did appear to be in cell phone range as there are videos of them casually filming the paramotor invaders over head. Not linking to any of that. Ravers would be easy soft targets being unarmed and high. Were there armed security and they just weren't in the images? If there were I would have expected them to call it in.

rurban 3y ago
It was just 5km from the border, relocated from another spot just 3 days prior.