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exactly. vaccines weren't exactly a prescription drug but without taking them you were basically a second class citizen

sgbeal 3y ago
> ... but without taking them you were basically a second class citizen "If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies." -- Jon Stewart
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  I'm curious, which values were those?
  - sgbeal 3y ago
    > I'm curious, which values were those? In this context, deciding for oneself instead of blindly accepting what one is told they should do.
    - kelseyfrog 3y ago
      You're referring to the novice-expert problem in epistemology. How do you get around requiring everyone to be an expert in all things?
      - sgbeal 3y ago
        > How do you get around requiring everyone to be an expert in all things? i simply hope for them to make their own choices. If that choice means following a doctor's advice, that's fine. (Admittedly, 9 times out of 10 or more, that's what i'll do - the doctor is the subject-matter expert.) Anecdote: as a recovered throat cancer patient, if a doctor were to tell me that the cancer is back and i had to undergo Treatment X or die, i'd start getting my affairs in order. In the 17 years since my cancer treatment, the only side-effects i still live with are side-effects of the _treatment_, not the cancer. e.g. i haven't slept a full night of 8 hours uninterrupted in 17 years because of side-effects of the radiation treatments, not the disease, and i'm unwilling to undergo further quality-of-life degradation caused by medical treatments. If it comes down to that, i'd choose my dignity and quality-of-(what remains of my)-life over a longer life suffering yet more side effects. Granted, not all would make such a choice, but i inherited stubbornness from both of my parents and got a double dose of it genetically, so i don't expect to represent a majority opinion.
jeromegv 3y ago
We have had mandatory vaccines for kids for a century. It’s what living in a society is all about.
- idontonowheat 3y ago
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- walterbell 3y ago
  Yes we did, to stop transmission. Without needing to change the definition of vaccine during that period.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  What do you mean by "It’s what living in a society is all about."? The point of society isnt to enforce your will on others. At best it is a means to an end, and hotly debated how much you should be able to force compliance from others for your own benefit.

> ... but without taking them you were basically a second class citizen "If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies." -- Jon Stewart

kelseyfrog 3y ago
I'm curious, which values were those?
- sgbeal 3y ago
  > I'm curious, which values were those? In this context, deciding for oneself instead of blindly accepting what one is told they should do.
  - kelseyfrog 3y ago
    You're referring to the novice-expert problem in epistemology. How do you get around requiring everyone to be an expert in all things?
    - sgbeal 3y ago
      > How do you get around requiring everyone to be an expert in all things? i simply hope for them to make their own choices. If that choice means following a doctor's advice, that's fine. (Admittedly, 9 times out of 10 or more, that's what i'll do - the doctor is the subject-matter expert.) Anecdote: as a recovered throat cancer patient, if a doctor were to tell me that the cancer is back and i had to undergo Treatment X or die, i'd start getting my affairs in order. In the 17 years since my cancer treatment, the only side-effects i still live with are side-effects of the _treatment_, not the cancer. e.g. i haven't slept a full night of 8 hours uninterrupted in 17 years because of side-effects of the radiation treatments, not the disease, and i'm unwilling to undergo further quality-of-life degradation caused by medical treatments. If it comes down to that, i'd choose my dignity and quality-of-(what remains of my)-life over a longer life suffering yet more side effects. Granted, not all would make such a choice, but i inherited stubbornness from both of my parents and got a double dose of it genetically, so i don't expect to represent a majority opinion.

jeromegv 3y ago

We have had mandatory vaccines for kids for a century. It’s what living in a society is all about.

idontonowheat 3y ago
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walterbell 3y ago
Yes we did, to stop transmission. Without needing to change the definition of vaccine during that period.
s1artibartfast 3y ago
What do you mean by "It’s what living in a society is all about."? The point of society isnt to enforce your will on others. At best it is a means to an end, and hotly debated how much you should be able to force compliance from others for your own benefit.