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> like wtf. is it legal to harass your neighbors with smell and toxic fumes every day You say harass, I say enhance. I love when I can smell a neighbor burning

by bigstrat2003 3y ago

> like wtf. is it legal to harass your neighbors with smell and toxic fumes every day You say harass, I say enhance. I love when I can smell a neighbor burning wood, it's one of the best things in the world. And therein lies the reason why your wish isn't going to come to pass any time soon: we don't all agree that the thing you want to ban is bad.

hollerith 3y ago
The PM2.5 not only gets in your lungs, it enters your bloodstream and gets everywhere including your brain. Peter Attia MD says there is no doubt it will shorten lifespan and healthspan. >your wish isn't going to come to pass any time soon It is coming to pass: for example, in the Bay Area, woodstoves and fireplaces have been banned in new construction since 2005.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  If Peter Attia says it, it must be true.
- joecool1029 3y ago
  > It is coming to pass: for example, in the Bay Area, woodstoves and fireplaces have been banned in new construction since 2005. It doesn't make much sense to install it there anyway, the climate isn't cold enough...
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  Dude, the Bay area is quite possibly the most atypical culture you could ask for compared to the rest of the nation. That isn't exactly a compelling argument.
  - hollerith 3y ago
    Back when vaping was still legal, a vaper surfaced on this site asserting that there was no way vaping would ever be banned, obviously, at least outdoors, e.g., while waiting for a bus, and guess what? At least where I live (Bay Area) vaping is illegal while standing outside waiting for a bus. So don't assume that your appreciation of woodsmoke is widespread enough prevent its becoming illegal some day.
    - bigstrat2003 3y ago
      I didn't assume it. But for right now, enough people enjoy wood fires that you're not going to see it banned everywhere in the country any time soon. Obviously, it could happen some day. But I'm only making predictions about the near future (say the next 5-10 years), not for all eternity.
philjohn 3y ago
Big disagree there - it exacerbates Asthma in sufferers, that alone makes it bad.
throwbadubadu 3y ago
Strange, I just hate it.. I'm fine with loud parties, your loud stupid music, don't care how you run your garden, but nothing is more hatable than someone harassing me with smoke or other headache creating smells, and going for my health. I go into kind of half nature, to enjoy the fresh air, and then there is someone making a fire out of some mix of pure laziness, ignorance, unnecessity and pyromania, despite it being also illegal here. I mean a good campfire is hot, doesn't produce much smoke, goes quick up and high, usually not that smelly, ok who needs it.. (though we even these are quite toxic, so please a reasonable romantic evening campfire, and not a 5 hour bonfire on a hot and sunny day?) But unfortunately it is always not just that, but I need to smell a lot of carcinogenic smoke, green waste smell, or even worse plastic or other garbage smell, my cloyhes stink, my furniture stinks.. and we are also just past the time to just burn stuff. (Noone here does this out of poorness bte.)
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  I burn all my yard waste as my locality has regulated all other means of disposal to the point of it being time- and cost-prohibitive. I pile it up and have a bonfire a few times a year.
  - jemmyw 3y ago
    They've regulated chipping mulching and composting?
    - SoftTalker 3y ago
      No, but I don't own a wood chipper, and renting one is costly and time-consuming.
      - jemmyw 3y ago
        I got the largest electric one I could find. It's pretty good, entirely metal housing so it won't fall apart, and no gas or oil to deal with. I don't know if 120v vs 240v makes a difference in that regard for Americans who want more powerful electric gear, we're 240v.
dathinab 3y ago
If some people get coughing fits from it it really stops mattering weather you like it or not.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  It actually doesn't stop mattering. I'm not unsympathetic to your point, but in a democratic form of government you do in fact need to get over the barrier of "other people like this and don't want to stop".

hollerith 3y ago

The PM2.5 not only gets in your lungs, it enters your bloodstream and gets everywhere including your brain. Peter Attia MD says there is no doubt it will shorten lifespan and healthspan. >your wish isn't going to come to pass any time soon It is coming to pass: for example, in the Bay Area, woodstoves and fireplaces have been banned in new construction since 2005.

ipaddr 3y ago
If Peter Attia says it, it must be true.
joecool1029 3y ago
> It is coming to pass: for example, in the Bay Area, woodstoves and fireplaces have been banned in new construction since 2005. It doesn't make much sense to install it there anyway, the climate isn't cold enough...
bigstrat2003 3y ago
Dude, the Bay area is quite possibly the most atypical culture you could ask for compared to the rest of the nation. That isn't exactly a compelling argument.
- hollerith 3y ago
  Back when vaping was still legal, a vaper surfaced on this site asserting that there was no way vaping would ever be banned, obviously, at least outdoors, e.g., while waiting for a bus, and guess what? At least where I live (Bay Area) vaping is illegal while standing outside waiting for a bus. So don't assume that your appreciation of woodsmoke is widespread enough prevent its becoming illegal some day.
  - bigstrat2003 3y ago
    I didn't assume it. But for right now, enough people enjoy wood fires that you're not going to see it banned everywhere in the country any time soon. Obviously, it could happen some day. But I'm only making predictions about the near future (say the next 5-10 years), not for all eternity.

philjohn 3y ago

Big disagree there - it exacerbates Asthma in sufferers, that alone makes it bad.

throwbadubadu 3y ago

Strange, I just hate it.. I'm fine with loud parties, your loud stupid music, don't care how you run your garden, but nothing is more hatable than someone harassing me with smoke or other headache creating smells, and going for my health. I go into kind of half nature, to enjoy the fresh air, and then there is someone making a fire out of some mix of pure laziness, ignorance, unnecessity and pyromania, despite it being also illegal here. I mean a good campfire is hot, doesn't produce much smoke, goes quick up and high, usually not that smelly, ok who needs it.. (though we even these are quite toxic, so please a reasonable romantic evening campfire, and not a 5 hour bonfire on a hot and sunny day?) But unfortunately it is always not just that, but I need to smell a lot of carcinogenic smoke, green waste smell, or even worse plastic or other garbage smell, my cloyhes stink, my furniture stinks.. and we are also just past the time to just burn stuff. (Noone here does this out of poorness bte.)

SoftTalker 3y ago
I burn all my yard waste as my locality has regulated all other means of disposal to the point of it being time- and cost-prohibitive. I pile it up and have a bonfire a few times a year.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  They've regulated chipping mulching and composting?
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    No, but I don't own a wood chipper, and renting one is costly and time-consuming.
    - jemmyw 3y ago
      I got the largest electric one I could find. It's pretty good, entirely metal housing so it won't fall apart, and no gas or oil to deal with. I don't know if 120v vs 240v makes a difference in that regard for Americans who want more powerful electric gear, we're 240v.

dathinab 3y ago

If some people get coughing fits from it it really stops mattering weather you like it or not.

bigstrat2003 3y ago
It actually doesn't stop mattering. I'm not unsympathetic to your point, but in a democratic form of government you do in fact need to get over the barrier of "other people like this and don't want to stop".