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“California should immediately begin work to set up regulated treatment guidelines - replete with dosing information, therapeutic guidelines, rules to prevent a

“California should immediately begin work to set up regulated treatment guidelines - replete with dosing information, therapeutic guidelines, rules to prevent against exploitation during guided treatments, and medical clearance of no underlying psychoses," aka my constituents want to profit from this so let's pump the brakes until they can get that configured

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
I think it's more that he's planning to run for president. He doesn't care about what's good for California - only what's good for his presidential campaign in 2028.
AnotherGoodName 3y ago
Total outsider to this political landscape but is it possible the law was very badly written that it needed the veto and a statement that's essentially 'go back and fix this'? I feel like this thread is so full of disillusionment of politics that there's zero trust. Which I get but how would a well intentioned politician avoid this suspicion of corruption?
- newswasboring 3y ago
  > Which I get but how would a well intentioned politician avoid this suspicion of corruption? By thoroughly explaining the actions. I think this decision feels under justified
  - AnotherGoodName 3y ago
    Stepping into this thread no one's really talking to that nuance of motivation though. It's all about underhanded motives. Which is concerning because a country won't function without some level of trust in it's leadership.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    What specifically is under justified? Seems pretty thoroughly explained to me. You can certainly disagree with his view/action, but his position and his reasons seem crystal clear.
dmix 3y ago
Sounds like he wants medical mushrooms via doctors not decriminalize psychedelics Are there even other ones besides psilocybin that’s used for potential medical stuff? Is it even researched beyond the very early days? Is that even the point of this shift to decrim? I’m sure if they make a policy to decriminalize it after x months a team of doctors could put together basic safety guidelines for adults
- deleted 3y ago
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- permo-w 3y ago
  Lion's Mane, for one
- pbjtime 3y ago
  You're supposed to have to demonstrate harm to criminalize something, not demonstrate safety to legalize it. That's why other herbs and the shit they sell at GNC are so unregulated. The only difference here is their profit.
  - philwelch 3y ago
    What you’re missing is the massive legal category of “prescription drugs”. In some countries, you can just go to the pharmacy and buy Lipitor or Viagra or levothyroxine or antibiotics without a prescription. The United States is not one of those countries. Requiring a drug to be prescribed in a medical setting is the default legal stance in this country, except it takes years of waiting on the FDA to even get that far.
  - catlover76 3y ago
    > You're supposed to have to demonstrate harm to criminalize something Normatively, I agree with you, but descriptively, that's false. Legislatures can criminalize almost anything they want as long as what they criminalize doesn't offend the constitution.
- giantg2 3y ago
  There are many fungi, or chemicals derived from them, that are used in medicine. Penicillin was from fungi. They're using turkey tail mushroom in combo with other cancer treatments. I think PSK (anti-cancer theraputic in Japan, I think) was originally from shiitake. Lions mane mushroom has been studied as a nootropic for stroke recovery. Relishi, chaga, cordesepes, and others are out there too, although I'm not sure to what degree they have been studies or employed in mainstream medicine.
euniceee3 3y ago
Agree with you 100%. Modern shrooms are stronger than they were in the past due to selective breeding and growing. Around 4x stronger. Educating the consumer on this will be difficult, the "I usually eat an 8th" crowd will be who is going to be helped more. Their are commercial tests for this very thing, to the point where once you know how strong a strain is you will be able to dose it according to volume of ground product. Complicating this is the fact that if you eat an orange then it makes the product even stronger. No clue how to solve all this, just know it is a real issue. Other side of this is that ketamine therapies are being ran out of old dentist offices with zero therapeutic guidelines TODAY. They are selling snake oil and letting folks not get the break throughs they deserve.
ada1981 3y ago
Correct. I founded the Decriminalize Nature movement in NYC and established a non-profit lobby group w funds from Doctor Bronners, and found that the political apparatus is looking to get its people paid.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

I think it's more that he's planning to run for president. He doesn't care about what's good for California - only what's good for his presidential campaign in 2028.

AnotherGoodName 3y ago

Total outsider to this political landscape but is it possible the law was very badly written that it needed the veto and a statement that's essentially 'go back and fix this'? I feel like this thread is so full of disillusionment of politics that there's zero trust. Which I get but how would a well intentioned politician avoid this suspicion of corruption?

newswasboring 3y ago
> Which I get but how would a well intentioned politician avoid this suspicion of corruption? By thoroughly explaining the actions. I think this decision feels under justified
- AnotherGoodName 3y ago
  Stepping into this thread no one's really talking to that nuance of motivation though. It's all about underhanded motives. Which is concerning because a country won't function without some level of trust in it's leadership.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  What specifically is under justified? Seems pretty thoroughly explained to me. You can certainly disagree with his view/action, but his position and his reasons seem crystal clear.

dmix 3y ago

Sounds like he wants medical mushrooms via doctors not decriminalize psychedelics Are there even other ones besides psilocybin that’s used for potential medical stuff? Is it even researched beyond the very early days? Is that even the point of this shift to decrim? I’m sure if they make a policy to decriminalize it after x months a team of doctors could put together basic safety guidelines for adults

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permo-w 3y ago
Lion's Mane, for one
pbjtime 3y ago
You're supposed to have to demonstrate harm to criminalize something, not demonstrate safety to legalize it. That's why other herbs and the shit they sell at GNC are so unregulated. The only difference here is their profit.
- philwelch 3y ago
  What you’re missing is the massive legal category of “prescription drugs”. In some countries, you can just go to the pharmacy and buy Lipitor or Viagra or levothyroxine or antibiotics without a prescription. The United States is not one of those countries. Requiring a drug to be prescribed in a medical setting is the default legal stance in this country, except it takes years of waiting on the FDA to even get that far.
- catlover76 3y ago
  > You're supposed to have to demonstrate harm to criminalize something Normatively, I agree with you, but descriptively, that's false. Legislatures can criminalize almost anything they want as long as what they criminalize doesn't offend the constitution.
giantg2 3y ago
There are many fungi, or chemicals derived from them, that are used in medicine. Penicillin was from fungi. They're using turkey tail mushroom in combo with other cancer treatments. I think PSK (anti-cancer theraputic in Japan, I think) was originally from shiitake. Lions mane mushroom has been studied as a nootropic for stroke recovery. Relishi, chaga, cordesepes, and others are out there too, although I'm not sure to what degree they have been studies or employed in mainstream medicine.

euniceee3 3y ago

Agree with you 100%. Modern shrooms are stronger than they were in the past due to selective breeding and growing. Around 4x stronger. Educating the consumer on this will be difficult, the "I usually eat an 8th" crowd will be who is going to be helped more. Their are commercial tests for this very thing, to the point where once you know how strong a strain is you will be able to dose it according to volume of ground product. Complicating this is the fact that if you eat an orange then it makes the product even stronger. No clue how to solve all this, just know it is a real issue. Other side of this is that ketamine therapies are being ran out of old dentist offices with zero therapeutic guidelines TODAY. They are selling snake oil and letting folks not get the break throughs they deserve.

ada1981 3y ago

Correct. I founded the Decriminalize Nature movement in NYC and established a non-profit lobby group w funds from Doctor Bronners, and found that the political apparatus is looking to get its people paid.